User talk:Geewunling/FemaleTF-Sandbox
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It'll be quite some time before I can wrap up this kitty, but I would kind of appreciate to get feedback already. The lay-out is currently rather unconventional, and I am not sure if it actually works, not to mention that the size of this thing makes me wonder if I should split it in two pages - one for fiction, one for production process (and then another one for toy history, but that's a later day concern). Also, there are sections I am going to be unable to write (completely) and would like to ask help on (these would be Headmasters (maybe), Masterforce, Beast Era cartoon material, UT cartoon, Movie, Animated, and anything you need to be member of the club for). Geewunling 09:55, 5 April 2010 (EDT)
- *pokes* I understand nobody finds this an interesting subject, but the current article is in a big need for an update. So, a little help? Geewunling 14:58, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
- I'm interested in it, and I like where you're going with it, but I'm not familiar enough with "oddball structure" articles to say anything outside of that.
- I'd be willing to help write up the Club fiction, too, although I'm not really sure what angle you'd want to take for how to handle the writeups. (Since just listing what the character does like we normally do for Fiction sections wouldn't be the right approach here.) --Jeysie 15:06, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
- Right now, the way I try to write the fiction sections is that they give a good overview of the female variants history through the TF species as specific to that continuity/the philosophy behind the continuity as a whole (ergo why the Japanese and American Beast Era section are currently separated). Like, why do they exist, who was the first, what purpose do they serve, what is their appearance frequency etc. and from there on out what role they performed throughout. How the section should be written is dependent of the broadness of the fiction though. The Art of War, for instance, pretty much only features a short "now"-timeframe, which makes it impossible to write from a bigger perspective. Hence, G.I. Joe's fiction section is mostly "Arcee did this and that and then she cried", rather than "Female Transformers are a result of Jhiaxus getting curious some era ago. Arcee went batshit and hunted him down. It appears she was not his only experiment." For what I know of TransTech and Shattered Glass, a historical perspective seems not very much possible, but both could offer good G.I. Joe-ish write-ups, the goal not being to mention everything every female ever did, thought or said (in that sense for instance, I can't think of SG Andromeda being relevant to mention. TT Andromeda on the other hand..), but those things they did that made an impact (like SG Crasher becoming an honorary citizen or Beta being a crime lord) or offer perspective on their role in the continuity (Crasher's shape being acceptable in SG). I, uh, I hope that'll do as explanation. Geewunling 15:56, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well, sorta. I admit the fact that the Fan Club femmes are generally treated as non-notable gender-wise was my stumbling point. If memory serves, the only two bits that ever address the fembots in terms of gender are CJ's being confused over Crasher, and Jackpot being the TF equivalent of a skirt-chaser. --Jeysie 16:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
- I hastened up the UT comic section to function as a possible illustration for what approach you could be taking. But to be clear on this first: it doesn't matter if females are anything special in a universe or not. Regardless of them getting any remarks or not, thing is that females always are a deviation from the norm, just like Triple Changers or Pretenders are. I do intend to categorize this page as subgroup when its done, because to me it seems a logical approach. Perhaps comparing it to if you were to write fiction sections for the Triple Changers, cartoon (virtually no attention) vs. Marvel (Triple Changers start out grouped together) v.s. Dreamwave (Shockwave did it. The Duocons are a pre-built) vs. Animated (Blackarachnia's invention. It's implied to make you nutty) vs. whatever else, might help in setting out a course, even if this "subgroup" is far less a group and a lot bigger in numbers. Geewunling 18:19, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
- I could either go the route of the way Fiction would normally be written, summarizing what each female did/her place in the stories (just in less detail than I normally would), or I could talk only about the few times they're treated differently—which would really just be Jackpot's attitudes and maybe Elita-One being Rodimus's girl, since Cliffjumper's reaction to Crasher is already covered elsewhere in the article. I admit I can't think of what else approach would work. :> --Jeysie 18:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
- First option, and then not even "each" female, since sometimes, it's just not worth mentioning. With the UT comics, I have purposely skipped information such as "While Sureshock crashed on Earth, Spiral stayed on the Moon," until Spiral actually showed up in the comics and got "specific" attention. Same for Airazor who I skipped to mention until the story brought her into play, even though I could have mentioned her earlier since she'd storywise been to Earth for some reason. And then I'm still skipping on CJ and IH, even if I could say for sure where they were between the first and last issue, because they had no impact on the story as told. On the other hand, would Dreamwave have gotten to write the Cybertron series, I would have mentioned Override and Thunderblast by now, because that'd be relevant story- and historywise.
- But, yeah, I think it's best to let you do a write up on the two continuities already. I'm certain you'll do right.
- P.S., if you could, I'd also appreciate a writeup on The Razor's Edge for the Beast Era section. I'm not sure yet how to incorporate it yet, but I believe it to have relevance for the continuity. And lastly, I'm still searching for a good, neutral main image... Would the Matrix be a defendable choice, for all the unfortunate implications it might bring? Geewunling 07:12, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
- I can't help out with The Razor's Edge, unfortunately, as I know almost diddley squat about Beast Wars. You might try poking Rosicrucian; he has a TFCC sub and has shown willingness to pitch in writing about TFCC stuff.
- As for the rest, I'll see what I can do. Withered Hope will have to wait until I have a chance to read it in detail, but I'll try working on the others. --Jeysie 08:55, 10 April 2010 (EDT)
- I could either go the route of the way Fiction would normally be written, summarizing what each female did/her place in the stories (just in less detail than I normally would), or I could talk only about the few times they're treated differently—which would really just be Jackpot's attitudes and maybe Elita-One being Rodimus's girl, since Cliffjumper's reaction to Crasher is already covered elsewhere in the article. I admit I can't think of what else approach would work. :> --Jeysie 18:38, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
- I hastened up the UT comic section to function as a possible illustration for what approach you could be taking. But to be clear on this first: it doesn't matter if females are anything special in a universe or not. Regardless of them getting any remarks or not, thing is that females always are a deviation from the norm, just like Triple Changers or Pretenders are. I do intend to categorize this page as subgroup when its done, because to me it seems a logical approach. Perhaps comparing it to if you were to write fiction sections for the Triple Changers, cartoon (virtually no attention) vs. Marvel (Triple Changers start out grouped together) v.s. Dreamwave (Shockwave did it. The Duocons are a pre-built) vs. Animated (Blackarachnia's invention. It's implied to make you nutty) vs. whatever else, might help in setting out a course, even if this "subgroup" is far less a group and a lot bigger in numbers. Geewunling 18:19, 9 April 2010 (EDT)
- Well, sorta. I admit the fact that the Fan Club femmes are generally treated as non-notable gender-wise was my stumbling point. If memory serves, the only two bits that ever address the fembots in terms of gender are CJ's being confused over Crasher, and Jackpot being the TF equivalent of a skirt-chaser. --Jeysie 16:11, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
- Right now, the way I try to write the fiction sections is that they give a good overview of the female variants history through the TF species as specific to that continuity/the philosophy behind the continuity as a whole (ergo why the Japanese and American Beast Era section are currently separated). Like, why do they exist, who was the first, what purpose do they serve, what is their appearance frequency etc. and from there on out what role they performed throughout. How the section should be written is dependent of the broadness of the fiction though. The Art of War, for instance, pretty much only features a short "now"-timeframe, which makes it impossible to write from a bigger perspective. Hence, G.I. Joe's fiction section is mostly "Arcee did this and that and then she cried", rather than "Female Transformers are a result of Jhiaxus getting curious some era ago. Arcee went batshit and hunted him down. It appears she was not his only experiment." For what I know of TransTech and Shattered Glass, a historical perspective seems not very much possible, but both could offer good G.I. Joe-ish write-ups, the goal not being to mention everything every female ever did, thought or said (in that sense for instance, I can't think of SG Andromeda being relevant to mention. TT Andromeda on the other hand..), but those things they did that made an impact (like SG Crasher becoming an honorary citizen or Beta being a crime lord) or offer perspective on their role in the continuity (Crasher's shape being acceptable in SG). I, uh, I hope that'll do as explanation. Geewunling 15:56, 7 April 2010 (EDT)
