Talk:Terradive (G2)
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Why is there a link to this guys G2 page, and when you click on it, it brings you to this G1 page. Shouldn't it be a G2 page since that's where he appeared first?--Megatron Prime 12:38, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- His toy writeup says he's gang-molded with "Hawk (G1)", too, so my guess is someone decided that the para-G1 Euro releases should have precedence over the US releases. Which I'm pretty sure is wrong, but way more important is that I just learned that Eagle Eye's Japanese name is "Hawking". Awesome. -LV
- There's been a lot of confusion about these guys over the years. I was just thinking the other day that we need to ask Hasbro what their dividing line between G1 and G2 is. Looking at the G2 series toys from Universe 2008, the timeframe listed would seem to subsume the so-called G1.5 characters into G2. Which is what I've thought should be done all along. --Khajidha 13:17, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Everything I've read indicates that the Skyscorchers were released in European G1 first. That's really all there is to it. —Interrobang 14:33, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Turbofire and Windbreaker aren't at Hotrider or Zap as their defaults, so I don't think this is as cut and dried as you seem to consider it. I don't know whether the wiki has a policy on orders of precedence in English-speaking countries, but I would think the US names would be used if only to keep them consistent with what the characters are called/will almost certainly be called in every other reference (ie fiction). -LV 14:48, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Yes. Once again, we should not be setting things up in a way to obfuscate and confuse people simply because of rebar-strut-up-the-ass pedantry. The Skyscorchers should be at their US names for the reasons listed both above and below. --M Sipher 15:40, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Fiction? You mean like "War Zone" and "War Without End", which use European names? I mean, never mind the fact that you're conflating the franchise parenthesis issue with the naming issue. "Obfuscating and confusing people" (Over some bit characters. O NOES!) has been long passed by our decision to have Sideways (RID) and Cryotek (RID). —Interrobang 15:54, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Yes. Once again, we should not be setting things up in a way to obfuscate and confuse people simply because of rebar-strut-up-the-ass pedantry. The Skyscorchers should be at their US names for the reasons listed both above and below. --M Sipher 15:40, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Turbofire and Windbreaker aren't at Hotrider or Zap as their defaults, so I don't think this is as cut and dried as you seem to consider it. I don't know whether the wiki has a policy on orders of precedence in English-speaking countries, but I would think the US names would be used if only to keep them consistent with what the characters are called/will almost certainly be called in every other reference (ie fiction). -LV 14:48, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- And I'm not even arguing that point. Except for the part about it being G1. My point is that official Hasbro product seems to indicate that G2 ran from 1992 to 1995 inclusive (see the back of U08 Inferno's box). Thus, all of these "late G1" or "G1.5" or "G1 after it ended in the US" figures are actually supposed to be G2. --Khajidha 15:29, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- They're not, though. Because "Generation 2" didn't appear on the packaging till 1993 in the United States and 1994 in Europe. It's. That. Simple. Your attempts to make exception for this case is pointlessly convoluted. —Interrobang 15:54, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Not my attempt. HASBRO's. I'm pointing out that official Hasbro material says that anything from 1992 to 1995 is Generation 2. --Khajidha 16:01, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- And I'm pointing out that "Generation 2" did not exist till 1993 (and in Europe till 1994). There are more 1992 and prior boxes without "Generation 2" on them than there are 2009 boxes saying that G2 started in 1992. —Interrobang 16:09, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Those pre-1993 boxes didn't say "Generation 1" either. If you are comfortable with Hasbro retconning that term into existence, why are you uncomfortable with them retconning what G2 is? Especially since many of the toys in question already had the G2 symbol, which by your reasoning makes it a G1 symbol. --Khajidha 16:12, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- HAH. --M Sipher 16:17, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Those pre-1993 boxes didn't say "Generation 1" either. If you are comfortable with Hasbro retconning that term into existence, why are you uncomfortable with them retconning what G2 is? Especially since many of the toys in question already had the G2 symbol, which by your reasoning makes it a G1 symbol. --Khajidha 16:12, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- And I'm pointing out that "Generation 2" did not exist till 1993 (and in Europe till 1994). There are more 1992 and prior boxes without "Generation 2" on them than there are 2009 boxes saying that G2 started in 1992. —Interrobang 16:09, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Not my attempt. HASBRO's. I'm pointing out that official Hasbro material says that anything from 1992 to 1995 is Generation 2. --Khajidha 16:01, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- They're not, though. Because "Generation 2" didn't appear on the packaging till 1993 in the United States and 1994 in Europe. It's. That. Simple. Your attempts to make exception for this case is pointlessly convoluted. —Interrobang 15:54, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- Everything I've read indicates that the Skyscorchers were released in European G1 first. That's really all there is to it. —Interrobang 14:33, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
- There's been a lot of confusion about these guys over the years. I was just thinking the other day that we need to ask Hasbro what their dividing line between G1 and G2 is. Looking at the G2 series toys from Universe 2008, the timeframe listed would seem to subsume the so-called G1.5 characters into G2. Which is what I've thought should be done all along. --Khajidha 13:17, 16 March 2011 (EDT)
