Talk:Artfire

Where do we want to have the main article, the offical-but-incorrect "Artfire", or the unoffical-but-correctly-romanized (I think)-and-actually-means-something "Autofire". "Artfire" is more widley used, but so was "Minelba" at one point. --FortMax 22:44, 25 October 2006 (UTC)

Exactly how official IS Artfire, anyway? As far as I know, he's never appeared in any form outside of Japan. Unless I'm mistaken in that assumption, I'm in favor of Autofire with Artfire as a redirect. - Dark T Zeratul 02:11, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

"Artfire" was used in English on the blindpacked Super Spy Changers box. --Monzo 02:17, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

I don't think "Autofire" is any more reasonable than "Artfire" - when Doug decided to revise his earlier transliteration, it was apparently under the mistaken belief that Artfire's function was "Rapid-Fire Gunner", but it isn't. That was Stepper. Artfire is a sniper, and I think the logic behind his name works perfectly well - he fires, because he has a gun, and he makes it an art, because he's so great.

I also seem to recall Quez saying the kana didn't actually works as "Autofire", but I'm not about to say that definitively because it's been years. -LV 14:37, 26 October 2006 (UTC)

Sparks - new character or same guy as Hot Rod's Firebolt?

Currently links to Firebolt, which is actually a disambiguation page. I'd say until we see evidence to the contrary, we should consider Sparks, the Targetmaster partner to United Artfire, as a separate character who was named in homage to Marvel Headmasters #4's name for Hot Rod's Firebolt. We consider Stepper's Nebulon and Artfire's Nightstick to be separate characters from Cyclonus's Nightstick and Scourge's Fracas, after all. (Plus, Hot Rod's Nightstick was already named "Nightstick" for the Transformers Collection Hot Rodimus reissue.)--Nevermore 16:19, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

I'm a little wary of saying Sparks and Firebolt are the same, since there's already a new Firebolt (which is also used by the Rodimus Prime toy in that one image), and the description on the website says Sparks is a "Firebolt Type". —Interrobang 16:34, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

From the Millions Publishing site: "Sparks master warrior partner of another person. You are using the Fire Bolt Type in "Transformers Generation 2011vol.2" Special comics, art had been in possession of Fire." Plus United Ricochet/Artfire appeared in a Marvel Comics-style story, and that's where Firebolt's name was Spark. --ItsWalky 16:40, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

I'd wait for a more coherent translation before using a Babelfish translation as evidence that he's the same guy as Hot Rod's Firebolt. For all we know, it could just mean "this toy is the same sculpt used for the recent Firebolt toy". Also, where exactly in the United comic does the name "Spark" appear?--Nevermore 17:03, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

• facepalm* Marvel Comics is where Firebolt was "Spark." And United was set in a Marvel Comics-style universe. That is all I said. --ItsWalky 17:13, 13 April 2012 (EDT)

One last thing before I'm out for dinner. This is a guy named Sparks who is an Autobot Targetmaster partner in a Marvel Comics-style portion of the Generation 1 continuity family. We default to believing he is the same guy as the previously-existing Sparks who is an Autobot Targetmaster partner in a Marvel Comics portion of the Generation 1 continuity family until we get some pretty strong evidence to the contrary. We do not have this evidence. We just have people being nitpicky for no yet-justified reason, ultimately sidestepping how we categorize and classify Transformers on this wiki. --ItsWalky 17:21, 13 April 2012 (EDT)