Talk:Dry Run!
It wouldn't have mattered if Scourge had killed this Megatron. This Megatron later kills himself during the Two Megatrons story. But as we also know, at the time of writing this Megatron was believed by everyone, including Furman, to be the one and only real original Megatron. 95.148.8.3 17:26, 7 January 2010 (EST)
- Yep, you're right. --Emvee 17:43, 7 January 2010 (EST)
- Except that there's the possibility that his Galvatron was created from the Straxus clone. Alternatively Scourge (and for that matter Galvatron in Target 2006) may simply not have a clear understanding of time travel theory and so genuinely don't know for sure what might happen. Even Galvatron II worried that killing Megatron would cancel him out, despite being well past the point of divergence. Timrollpickering 13:50, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
- Ack, Straxatron stuff makes my brain ache. I've seen diagrams that try to make sense of it all, but there's a lot of supposition about future timelines...the divergent future Rodimus returns to after Time Wars doesn't help any, adding another possible Galvatron (Straxatron in the future?) to the mix. Best not to delve too deeply into it. --Emvee 14:09, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
- I think the point to remember is that Scourge isn't an expert in time-travel mechanics, causality theory or anything like that. He's not saying "If I kill Megatron I will cease to exist". He's just wondering aloud. He even says that he can't be sure, but he can't take the risk. So this isn't the author speaking through Scourge. It is the character himself wondering what will happen, and deciding it's not worth the risk. LiamK 15:45, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
- Ack, Straxatron stuff makes my brain ache. I've seen diagrams that try to make sense of it all, but there's a lot of supposition about future timelines...the divergent future Rodimus returns to after Time Wars doesn't help any, adding another possible Galvatron (Straxatron in the future?) to the mix. Best not to delve too deeply into it. --Emvee 14:09, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
- Except that there's the possibility that his Galvatron was created from the Straxus clone. Alternatively Scourge (and for that matter Galvatron in Target 2006) may simply not have a clear understanding of time travel theory and so genuinely don't know for sure what might happen. Even Galvatron II worried that killing Megatron would cancel him out, despite being well past the point of divergence. Timrollpickering 13:50, 11 April 2011 (EDT)
Nightstick's death
Sorry, putting this here rather than having an edit war. I mentioned that Nightstick's death is pretty graphic, and one of the responses was "That was nothing, comics were never regulated or censored in the UK like they were in the US, hence Judge Dredd". While that is true, I don't think it applies here. I'm sure Transformers in the UK, like in the US, got away with a lot of things regular comics didn't because they involved giant robots. I don't think that other Marvel UK comics would have characters beging beheaded "on-camera", so to speak. I think that Nightstick's death is actually something pretty horrific, even for a UK comic. A human (well, humanoid) gets crushed to death by a Transformer. The UK comic tended to avoid human deaths like the US one, and certainly I can't think of anything comparable to this. I'm fairly certain the only reason they got away with it was because Nightstick was in gun form at the time and the censors probably missed that he was also a flesh and blood being.
So, is it worth noting, or am I overthinking it way too much? LiamK 15:59, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
- I agree that Nightstick's death is not typical of some kind of standard UK "kids' comic" indifference to people being guesomely murdered on-panel, but I also wouldn't have been especially shocked by a comparable death in the US. The crux of the matter, as you rightly point out, is that it's a shot of a robot crushing a gun, and nobody who isn't paying close attention is going to get the implications. All that being said, I don't know whether I think it's worth a note anyway. -LV 16:58, 13 October 2013 (EDT)
- Fair point. I suppose a way of seeing whether it's noteworthy or not is... are there any other "on-screen" deaths of a human(oid) in the original Marvel run? Outside of, say, Highbrow has been killed therefore Gort has been killed.LiamK 11:53, 16 October 2013 (EDT)
