Talk:Scrapmetal (race)
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Plural
[edit]Is there a canon reason why "Scrapmetal" seems to be invariant in the plural in this article (like deer: 1 deer, 2 deer)? Khajidha 18:32, 22 December 2009 (EST)Note: this only occurs in the opening.
- The toy's Cyber Key Code info established that the plural and singular were the same. The cartoon sometimes adhered to this, and sometimes did not, using "Scrapmetals" (both ways are used in episode 31, for example). - Chris McFeely 18:49, 22 December 2009 (EST)
- Okay, it just seemed somewhat strange seeing it on the page that way. I was going to change it but wanted to make sure it was not intentional. It seems that it was intentional, so I will not make any changes at this time. However, the rest of the article seems not to follow this usage. Do we wish to vary usage (as the cartoon did) or do we wish to harmonize usage? Khajidha 19:06, 22 December 2009 (EST)
Type, race, or species?
[edit]I don't think "race" is the right term. I would suggest moving this to "Scrapmetal (species)". --KilMichaelMcC 15:50, 24 December 2009 (EST)
- *shrugs* It's a race of Transformer. If you feel "species" is more appropriate, feel free to move it and change all the links. —Interrobang 16:53, 24 December 2009 (EST)
- Well, I think "race" is the wrong term for a group of non-sapient robo-animals. --KilMichaelMcC 18:01, 29 December 2009 (EST)
- It can't be species since they are only a type of Transformer. The species is Transformer, the race is Scrapmetal. Race has been used by biologists for subgroups within a species, without regards to whether the species is sapient or not, for many years. It is roughly equivalent to subspecies, breed, strain or cultivar. Khajidha 18:13, 29 December 2009 (EST)
- They most certainly are a species, a "species of metal munching insecticons" to be specific according to their Cyber Key bio. --KilMichaelMcC 18:16, 29 December 2009 (EST)
- ....SEVERAL YEARS LATER....I still think (race) should be changed to (species). --KilMichaelMcC 08:14, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
- Given that my objection was based on what the words mean outside of TFs, your citation of the usage of species in a canon source is enough for me to withdraw said objection. I'm kind of surprised it hasn't been moved yet.--Khajidha 09:33, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
- ....SEVERAL YEARS LATER....I still think (race) should be changed to (species). --KilMichaelMcC 08:14, 24 April 2013 (EDT)
- They most certainly are a species, a "species of metal munching insecticons" to be specific according to their Cyber Key bio. --KilMichaelMcC 18:16, 29 December 2009 (EST)
- It can't be species since they are only a type of Transformer. The species is Transformer, the race is Scrapmetal. Race has been used by biologists for subgroups within a species, without regards to whether the species is sapient or not, for many years. It is roughly equivalent to subspecies, breed, strain or cultivar. Khajidha 18:13, 29 December 2009 (EST)
- Well, I think "race" is the wrong term for a group of non-sapient robo-animals. --KilMichaelMcC 18:01, 29 December 2009 (EST)
Well, if no one objects, I'll move it. If someone does object, please tell me; I don't want to think I've got the OK when I don't. --AutoFire (talk) 23:04, 19 December 2013 (EST)
