Talk:Alchemist Prime

Maccadam confirmed member of Thirteen Primes/mustached bartender=Maccadam=Alchemist Prime

So the recent conclusion to the Nexus Prime arc of FunPub comics confirms that the mustached bartender is Maccadam who himself is a member of the 13, likely Alchemist Prime as hinted by Vector Prime.

Sadly he's missing his bow tie. Probably time some articles were merged, specifically Alchemist Prime, Maccadam, and relevant parts of Maccadam's bartenders page. --Iustitia (talk) 19:11, 16 January 2016 (EST)

Move the bartender stuff to Alchemist (since, IIRC, it was never said that he wasn't Maccadam), leave Alchemist separate because for god's sake let a joke be a joke. You can link between pages and everything'll still be clear. --Riptide (talk) 19:41, 16 January 2016 (EST)

As the guy who gave AVP the idea to make a joking hint that Alchemist Prime might be Maccadam - which I assume to be only happenstance in relation to the comic's inclusion of the bartender - I'm on the side of "let a joke be a joke." - Chris McFeely (talk) 19:45, 16 January 2016 (EST)

That being said, it should still be mentioned on both pages. In the notes maybe? --Ascendron (talk) 20:56, 16 January 2016 (EST)

Merge pages?

Since CyberVerse Macadam is confirmed to be Alchemist Prime should we merge the pages or not? Unless they made some other variant of him separate that is? LordGalvatronYT (talk) 14:52, 4 February 2024 (EST)

Age of the Primes and merging with Maccadam for realsies

With the advent of Age of the Primes I think it is time to confront that the gag is no longer a gag to HasTak and seriously consider a combined page for Maccadam and Alchemist Prime, if only to avoid obfuscating their shared conceptual history. My thoughts:

• The big elephant in the room of course is that in the time since this was last seriously considered a decade ago, a combined Maccadam/Alchemist was a main character in a mainline cartoon via the Cyberverse franchise.
• Enter Age of the Primes this year, which has delivered HasTak's best pass at a "definitive" Alchemist Prime explicity based on Cyberverse Maccadam and the Marvel bartender with a TakaraTomy bio composed entirely of a Maccadam namecheck.
• Lastly, examining our current coverage, Maccadam has already ended up with a Thirteen-style continuity agnostic article and in fact already has the bones of a shared "Conceptual history" section with Alchemist Prime at the bottom of his page.

As such, a prototype for a combined article (with a "Conceptual history" section laying all this out in more detail) can be seen:

• HERE

I have given Maccadam top billing with the thinking that he has about thirty years seniority on Alchemist Prime but I am not particularly married to that.

Questions, suggestions, concerns etc are welcome. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 19:29, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

I wasn't keen on this originally, but seeing the proof of concept I'm on board with it. --Broadside (talk) 19:43, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

Are there any continuities in which Maccadam isn't Alchemist Prime? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 20:31, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

Marvel, as well as the incredibly minute (you can see their sections on his page for reference) mentions of him in IDW 2005, the Kre-O manga, and TransTech/Galva Convoy’s bio. - IGEBM13 (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

Notably Alchemist does not exist in Marvel or Kre-O and the IDW and TransTech namedrops are not incompatible with Alchemist's appearances therein. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 20:51, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

As I detail in the sandbox the lone overt discontinuity between the two I was able to find was a 2014 Aligned novel (produced between Alchemist Prime's debut and the behind-the-scenes decision to merge them) in which Maccadam pops up after Alchemist leaves Cybertron. Your mileage may vary whether that can be handwaved with "he could have returned with a false mustache, you don't know" but sitting here in 2025 I did not find it load bearing enough to derail the project over. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 20:58, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

On the subject of "authority of sources" it is probably worth noting that the novel was lousy with continuity errors for other characters anyway now that I'm looking at it again. --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 21:21, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

Technically, IDW 2005 would be another case of Maccadam being present after Alchemist Prime left Cybertron, and is equally handwavable with "he could have returned with a false mustache, you don't know." -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 21:27, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

True! --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 21:35, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

I’m also on board with the idea. Hasbro clearly intends for them to be the same guy, after all. - IGEBM13 (talk) 20:45, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm fine with it, though I think per the precedent of The Fallen, the page should live at Maccadam instead of Alchemist. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:42, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

That sounds like a terrible idea and I hate that that's now being held up as some sort of precedent. - Dark T Zeratul (talk) 22:16, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

This is good work and I think the merge under the Maccadam name makes sense. - TitaniumToughGuy (talk) 23:08, 5 June 2025 (EDT)

I'm all for the merge! I think the write-up for the updated intro and conceptual history is really well written. I also agree with keeping the page name at Maccadam, with Alchemist Prime as a redirect. Great work! --Daytonjhammon (talk) 19:11, 6 June 2025 (EDT)

That is a pretty resounding quorum in favor after the better part of a week for comment so I am moving forward with the merge as proposed! --AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 10:58, 10 June 2025 (EDT)

I'd like to reiterate that while I have no real opinions on the merge, I do very much feel like it should be merged at Alchemist Prime and not Maccadam. Two out of three toys have been Alchemist Prime, in multiple continuities he's only ever been known as Alchemist Prime, and even when he's explicitly Maccadam, it's with a certain amount of "he's really Alchemist Prime, just under an assumed identity". -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:12, 10 June 2025 (EDT)

(On a minor note, I'm also not really thrilled that this was done without even a formal vote or any real discussion beyond "five people said it sounded good on the day it was suggested.") -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 18:44, 10 June 2025 (EDT)

Okay, you need to dial back the unnecessary snippiness. The discussion was left open for nearly a week with a significant majority in favor, including members of staff, and the fact is the Maccadam name does have seniority. You don't have to like it, but to raise a stink after the merge has already happened and most of the links have already been updated is entirely counterproductive. I suggest you let this one go and move on. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 19:46, 10 June 2025 (EDT)

Apologies for the unnecessary snippiness, but besides me, only five people responded to this. And all within the first 24 hours. And then nothing at all for a week. This wiki's had bigger turnouts for less major changes, so at least to me that doesn't feel like either "a significant majority" or "a pretty resounding quorum." I'll let it go, because I'm apparently alone in this, but I'm still registering my opinion that this change felt both incredibly rushed and under-discussed. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 23:12, 10 June 2025 (EDT)

I would have voted against this if I'd seen it, under the same logic as Greatshot or Victory Leo, but I don't think it would have made a difference. Omegatron (talk) 14:04, 12 June 2025 (EDT)