Talk:At the Last Second

"Make Tracks"

I dunno- considering Victorion's "ultimate doom" comment in episode 3, I feel like the "make tracks" comment being an intentional reference isn't much of a stretch. But I guess we can wait to see if future episodes have similar episode name drops. --Nu-Priest (talk) 18:17, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Here's the thing: "Make tracks" is a very commonly used phrase. "Ultimate doom" is not. More than likely, it's just a coincidence. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 18:19, 10 December 2017 (EST)

I know it's a more common phrase, but like I said above- there's precedent for this sort of thing already. This seems just like the level of "clever" fan references this writing team would peddle. But again, I'm more than willing to wait and see and be proven wrong. --Nu-Priest (talk) 18:31, 10 December 2017 (EST)

Final scene

May I ask why the entire trivia bullet point was removed, instead of simply being edited? The scene is incredibly suggestive in nature, and that absurdity was the defining trait of the episode for many who watched it. It's not as if this wiki regularly shies away from that sort of topic (The Search for Alpha Trion, anybody?) and I tried my best to avoid using any overly explicit words in the description, not to mention only hinting at what the scene is suggesting, rather than outright using the, er, "r-word". To not give any mention to this would be an omission of an important part of the episode. -DuplexBeGreat (talk) 22:56, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

It really isn't. I only paid a cursory look at reception to this episode, but you're the only one pushing this narrative, and it's NOT important at all. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:12, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

What he said. Don't disguise your weird readings as "audience reaction". Saix (talk) 23:18, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

That... doesn't seem like a fair assessment. You say your friends didn't care about it, I say my friends did (they absolutely did, I swear to god I'm not inventing this out of my own imagination), and we don't get anywhere. That sort of evidence is purely circumstantial. What matters is whether the scene itself is actually of such an odd caliber or not. I'd argue that one group more or less not paying attention to the episode due to its overall low quality isn't really equal in magnitude to another group eagerly hacking apart everything bad about it and paying special attention to this scene. - DuplexBeGreat (talk) 23:20, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Your friends are not the whole fanbase. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:21, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

"My friends thought this" is not something you base adding subjective information to articles on. You are typing paragraphs to justify adding "there was a rape metaphor in a robot cartoon"; please reassess. Saix (talk) 23:26, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

That's fair. But the scene isn't a rape metaphor; that's my point. It just comes off weirdly as being one. I cannot prove that "there was a rape metaphor in a robot cartoon" because I highly doubt there was one. What there was was a violent scene in a cartoon about fighting robots that happened to carry rape overtones by sheer ineptitude. Again: People did genuinely have this reaction. I'm not the one who came up with it. -DuplexBeGreat (talk) 23:49, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

But you're the only one pushing for it. We're not judging based on what we or our friends thought, we're basing general audience reaction on what we see on social media, Transformers fan sites, comments sections, etc. You know, GENERAL AUDIENCE REACTION. You're offering a highly subjective take that creates controversy where there isn't any, and that doesn't belong here. There's plenty of other reasons to criticize the Prime Wars Trilogy without trying to unnecessarily recontextualize scenes in less-than-appropriate context. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 23:55, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Okay, that seems fair. I'll proceed on to the rest of the series, then. May as well mention here that I plan to finish it off by creating a "Criticisms" section on the Transformers: Titans Return (cartoon) article, like the one on Combiner Wars's page. I would have assumed that was fair game, but... I'm not sure any more. Please do let me know now if it wouldn't be accepted. -DuplexBeGreat (talk) 23:59, 16 June 2018 (EDT)

Honestly, I'm not sure that's even necessary. There's barely any criticisms that are unique to Titans Return as opposed to just being carried over from Combiner Wars. You could just add a sentence to the Combiner Wars article saying that many of the problems carried over into the following series, save yourself a few paragraphs. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 00:10, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

I'll take that into consideration. I suppose there may in fact not be much new to say, especially since I planned to make a short paragraph about the bastardization of Overlord's character, with focus on this episode. That's no longer an option, so... we'll see. -DuplexBeGreat (talk) 00:18, 17 June 2018 (EDT)

"Bastardization of Overlord's character" is a really subjective criticism. He's just IDW Overlord, who was nothing like the original character to begin with. Saix (talk) 00:41, 18 June 2018 (EDT)