Talk:Beast Wars timeline

Depth Charge

If we're specifically mentioning Ravage's journey from the future to the past, we should include Depth Charge's similar trip as well. JW 16:26, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

That's just because it still waits to be added. Ha ha ;D --TX55 16:33, 11 December 2007 (UTC)

Fun Publications and 3H Comics

What make them any more canon than the IDW comics? I understand that they tie into Beast Wars, but so does the IDW Comics. I also understand that IDW doesn't connect to the Fun and 3H comics..but I don't see them as any more canon than the IDW Comics. Thus, I propose a split. (Its difficult to tell which is Beast Wars the Cartoon and which parts are Comic only stuff anyways, so it'd also help to show others which is from which canon.) I'm surprised it took until now for someone to suggest it really.--Chipmonk328

The comic stuff should be put in italics like the Transformers Animated timeline. Other than that, I don't think a split is necessary. The IDW comics are canon, but brings elements from Japanese fiction into English continuity, so the backstory is a little different than the English Beast Era continuity that is recorded here. - Starfield 17:27, 22 December 2009 (EST)

This page is a "Beast Era timeline." The 3H/FP material covers Beast Machines and Universe, which are so far ignored by IDW's material. IDW's stuff would be a "Beast Wars timeline" only. EDIT: Yeah, that's exactly what we do. Note that the IDW stuff is at Beast Wars timeline (IDW), not "Beast Era." --ItsWalky 17:42, 22 December 2009 (EST)

Alright, well, then is anyone going it italicize the comic parts or something? As it stands, its hard to tell which is from Comics and which is from the Beast Wars (and Beast Machines) show.--Chipmonk328

Thanks for the changes..but I feel my terminology, while corrected..I have to ask again because, I still don't understand how IDW is any less canon to the Beast Era than Fun or 3H. Sure they don't work with each other, but to me, putting those comics with the Cartoon over IDW seems like someones idea of Personal_canon, which doesn't constitute being included in my opinion.EDIT: Forgive the edit, just felt I should space apart from my other post better, as I didn't notice it when I first hit preview.--Chipmonk328

Okay. Two questions: 1. No one answered my last statement. How is it not Personal Canon to say they are any more canon than IDW. Yes, it includes things from the Japanese series, and the others do not. However, they are just as in canon with the Cartoons as 3H and Fun, so whose to say which one is more canon than the other? 2.Is there any way to purchase any of the Universe and Wreckers Comics? I'd like to buy them if at all possible..Chipmonk328

Your question was answered. The IDW comics do not portray the same events as other Beast-era media. They completely omit BM and completely contradict 3H--there is no way for any one timeline to contain all the events of the 3H and IDW comics because they plainly do not exist in the same timeline. This is not "personal canon," just explain Tripredacus Agent if they're all the same story. We don't have a "G1" timeline including every single story from every medium because it would be impossible; we break them down by continuity, thus "G1 cartoon" and "IDW G1", etc. The main Beast timeline came first and so it gets the main article; IDW came later and contradicts it, so it gets spun off. --Thylacine 2000 16:28, 2 January 2010 (EST)

What was answered was why IDW and 3H+fun could not go together. What I don't understand is how IDW contradicts the Beast Era Cartoons in any way, which is the ONLY way 3H and fun could be more canon than IDW (Unless Hasbro said it themselves or something of course)...and now you sat it doesn't include Beast Machines? True, it doesn't, but whose to say its just set before it. Though I kinda see now what you're saying. So let me see if I got this straight.

IDW only covers the Beast Wars part of the Beast Era, and includes the Japanese Cartoon in its own wierd way...so even though it doesn't contradict the American Cartoons in any way (thus making it possibly canon), its not canon because 3H and Fun can go together, and go with the Beast Era Cartoon only just as much as IDW's, but doesn't include the Japanese Cartoon in any way, and DOES include Beast Machines, thus its automatically made canon....wieeerd. But I'm not so sure that constitutes it being canon..it just says it has more content than IDW, has gotten to Beast Machines, contradicts the other comics but not the american cartoon in any way, and doesn't include the Japanese Canon in any way..that doesn't automatically make one more canon than the other. All it means is they don't go TOGETHER, not that one is canon and one is not. I'm sorry, I don't mean to be rude or a hardass but, I still just don't see it. Is there something I'm missing here?--Chipmonk328

I think it goes like this: There are two timelines. One that includes American Beast Wars + Beast Machines + 3H + fun club. The other timline is American Beast Wars + some version of Japanese Beast Wars + IDW + Beast Machines. A lot of this timeline including the cartoon could be duplicated on the "IDW Beast Wars timeline" page, but they are different.

Also, IDW does include Beast Machines. The ending of The Ascending leads directly into the Beast Machines era. - Starfield 12:06, 7 January 2010 (EST)

You just answered your own question. It doesn't go together with the main BW continuity, so it gets its own individual spin-off continuity under our organization scheme. It has nothing to do with one being less canon than the other, since as far as we're concerned, everything's canon. That doesn't mean everything is canon for the same continuity, however. --Jeysie 12:20, 7 January 2010 (EST)

No I did not. It does not go with 3H and Fun's Beast Era Continuity but it DOES fit with the Cartoons Continuities, it even fits into Beast Machines by showing how Megatron got in just at the right time after the Ascending, thus its just as much canon as 3H and Fun are. Thus really, BOTH are seperate canons that are EQUALLY able to fit with the Cartoons. Just because you like what 3h and Fun wrote more doesn't mean its more canon to the cartoons then IDW's.--Chipmonk328

No one is saying that IDW is not canon, just that it is not the same canon as 3H. Neither is more or less canon than the other, but this timeline is only about one of them. Possibly the name of this article could be less vague. Khajidha 15:33, 25 January 2010 (EST) PS I indented your post to make the conversation easier to follow. Please try to indent your posts yourself from here on.

Didn't know how and didnt think it was necessary, but I'll indent to make you happy. In any case, this is clearly refrenced everywhere as THE Western Beast Wars Timeline. No it is not. Its a combination of 3H, Funs AND THE Western Timeline. So I think you should split 3H and Fun into a separate timeline because as stated before, while yes, IDW incorporates the Japanese series, it does not contradict any canon of the Cartoons in any-way-shape or form. Neither does 3H or Fun..thus, they are both equally Western Canon, and this timeline here should ONLY be the Beast Era Cartoons. Then link to the 3H/Fun one, just like you did for IDW. I have yet to see a single good reason why this should not be done, and I've only not done it myself because I don't want it reverted.--Chipmonk328

This is the Western timeline as it contains ONLY Western material. The IDW timeline includes Eastern (Japanese) material as well. Khajidha 17:00, 9 February 2010 (EST)

It was my impression that the IDW stuff rewrote and shifted around a lot of the Japanese stuff. I mean, they rewrote a buttload of characters, and decided that the (loose) events of BWII and Neo took place at a completely different time. --ItsWalky 17:08, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Yeah. As is, the current canon only has vague allusions to events kinda similar to the shows. Although even if it was "Eastern" it would still merit inclusion. That is an distinction irrelevant to whether the material's in continuity or not. —Interrobang 17:19, 9 February 2010 (EST)

Guess I misunderstood as well. Khajidha 15:57, 11 February 2010 (EST)

So I again have to push the matter. What makes it any more canon than IDW? They both fit with the American Cartoon, do they not? Is it because they have a version of Japanese Continuity? Honestly, I don't see that as reason enough, sense it still makes itself also completely fit it within what Western Continuity has..thus, I see it just as much canon. I still say that this article should be the Beast Era Cartoons only, and have an alternate link for the 3H/Fun Continuity, just like IDW has, as its not any more canon than IDW--Chipmonk328

As I understand it, even if they both fit the cartoon on their own, they're still mutually exclusive with each other, and therefore don't fit on the same timeline. - Cattleprod 23:50, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Waspinator

Since when did Waspinator fly back to Cybertron from past-Earth with the Wreckers? I thought that entire episode was never explained more than "took forever!". --Thylacine 2000 17:09, 22 December 2009 (EST)

That entry is properly storylinked, so I'm not sure what your question is about. --ItsWalky 17:39, 22 December 2009 (EST)

I'm confused too - the entry, describing Apelinq and company's return to Cybertron, is storylinked to Apelinq's War Journals, but the journals end with Omega Point, with no coverage of said return. Chris McFeely 20:11, 22 December 2009 (EST)

Ah, there's another one? I read the one that was linked to Primeval Dawn. --ItsWalky 20:33, 22 December 2009 (EST)

Oh, yeah, I see it now, further up the timeline... so I take it that was one of those things that would have happened if the comic was finished, but wasn't in any of the actual published stuff? Not read the BotCon stuff... - Chris McFeely 20:50, 22 December 2009 (EST)

Yeah, we should add a note that it was planned and not published. (I believe the only place on the wiki where this is documented completely is on Primal Prime's page. I never got around to copypasting that information to other pages. Definitely something to put on my TO DO list as I've been filling in this Universe stuff lately.) --ItsWalky 20:52, 22 December 2009 (EST)

Yeah, none of the Primeval Dawn pages mention Waspinator at all. --Thylacine 2000 21:21, 22 December 2009 (EST)