Talk:Blurr (Prime)

I really don't think Blurr the Velocitronian from the novel and Blurr the Cybertronian from Rescue Bots are the same guy. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 09:09, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

I'd agree, but despite statements on the Aligned continuity being an "all-as-one", the wiki seems to be treating it the same as the other families - as in, individual series or franchises set in the Aligned universe are treated as their own "sub-continuities", meaning that novel and RB Blurr are being held in the same page despite inconsistent details. Much like, I dunno, G1 cartoon Blurr and G1 Marvel Blurr both being at Blurr (G1). So until they're both seen in the same place at the same time, I'd guess that they're staying. Riptide (talk) 10:09, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

I am all for not treating the novels and the cartoons and the video games as a singular coherent continuity, and viewing Aligned as continuity family rather than a single timeline. In general, that makes sense. In the specific case of this character, though, it doesn't make sense to treat a nice, humble guy who lived on Velocitron and pilot from Cybertron who's not either of those things as a single character. And as a show character RB Blurr will be about an infinity times more prominent a character than a rando from a novel few people read. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 10:18, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

I put up the split template to get some discussion going here. Because if we're keeping RB Blurr on this page, the intro need a rewrite to focus on him, and if we're not, then not. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 13:56, 28 April 2015 (EDT)

I don't think we should split the article. Even though there's shitloads of inconsistencies between three cartoons, two video games and four or so sloppily-written novels, Hasbro's official line is "these are all in the same continuity". Because of author intent, I vote we keep it the way it is.--Spin-Out (talk) 02:36, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

But why does "these are all in the same continuity" translate to "these two particular characters with the same name are automatically the same person" ? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 06:54, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

Because they share a name, are both racecars where a central part of their personalities are how fast they are, and - most importantly - they're both based on previous versions of Blurr? G1 Soundwave has entirely different personalities in the Sunbow cartoon and the Marvel comics, and the Dinobots have entirely different backgrounds, and yet there's only one G1 Soundwave page and one G1 Grimlock page. (...the split pages for length don't count as separate.) Riptide (talk) 07:30, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

I don't see how RB Blurr is based on a previous version of Blurr in anything but name, and comparison to the differing Marvel/Sunbow versions of G1 characters aren't apt because those were simultaneously created iterations based off the same toy. I just don't understand why we aren't saying "There can be more than one Blurr in Aligned" especially when one is from Velocitron and the other isn't. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 08:04, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

Keeping them on the same page follows the precedent set by Tantrum (Prime), and several Animated characters where the Almanac and the comics independently introduced characters (Tarantulas (Animated), Sky-Byte (Animated), et al.). Plus, quite a few characters are very different between their WFC and Prime interpretations, and we still put them on the same articles. Even if we concede that there are probably alternate timelines within Aligned, I think we should still be consistent across the wiki, and just say that two characters in the same continuity family both based on the same existing character concept can probably be considered the same character unless there's an obvious "seen them in the same place together" kind of reason why we shouldn't. --flicky1991 18:49, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

What he said. Saix (talk) 20:11, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

My disagreement with that is the idea that RB Blurr is "based on the same existing character concept." He looks and acts nothing like any previous Blurr. I think he's totally a "we're putting a race car guy in the line, hey what name do we have we can slap on him?" situation. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 22:15, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

I agree with Kil in that I think Rescue Bots Blurr is merely a name reuse akin to Armada Cyclonus rather than an attempt to make a new Blurr. Similarly to how I don't think Rescue Bots Blades is also the arm to Prime Defensor. --ItsWalky (talk) 23:18, 1 May 2015 (EDT)

Ha-ha, today's new episode had Blurr actually talking about Velocitron, so joke's on me! They're the same guy. Oops. Still the think the opening paragraph reflecting his novel personality should be rewritten more. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 23:18, 2 May 2015 (EDT)

I don't know. Blurr does mention Velocitron but he never says he's from there. He could still be somebody who just happens to be named Blurr and knows about Velocitron. LordTacos (talk) 01:16, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

The connection to Velocitron, his familarity with it even if he doesn't outright say he's from there, is enough for me to concede the point. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 15:36, 3 May 2015 (EDT)

I say we shouldn't split there personality does seem alot alike. tries avoiding responsibility and making a situation go from bad worse. Plus as pointed above, his familiarity with the planet if not outright saying he from there.... it just shows that unlike other examples he's more connected to his previous aligned portrayel then people realize. Plus him not outright saying he's from there or not could be a sign that he doesn't want to bring up his true origin and the hand he had in his planet history, like how he avoided the truth about how he tried to save his own skin by leaving salvage behind.--Projectus (talk) 14:06, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

I say split on the grounds of Rescue Bots Blurr probably not being a colonial-born Velocitronian and consistency with our other splits. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 15:01, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Why? there's no proof there dissimilar enough to warrant such an action.--Projectus (talk) 15:53, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

I don't think there's anything that makes the two versions particularly incompatible. --abates (talk) 18:03, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Well, their personalities are pretty much 100% incompatible: Velocitronian Blurr is friendly and beloved by everyone, and Rescue Bot Blurr is an enormous tool, so it's pretty much impossible to write a summary that covers both without inventing "false narrative". Applying Jim's "name change test" results in an obvious split, and considering that RB Blurr was likely just a name-slap because "he's a car guy"... I'd vote for a split, especially since we've decided that the Grimlocks are different enough. --Riptide (talk) 18:13, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

But, AFAIK, there is no similar "word of God" statement from anyone in the creative team about considering them to be two separate characters, unlike with Grimlock Jrgolden42 (talk) 18:27, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Sure, but that wasn't the sole deciding factor. Officially, the wiki only uses statements of author intent as guidance for ambiguous situations. --Riptide (talk) 18:40, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

Just. Fucking. STOP. --M Sipher (talk) 20:24, 4 September 2016 (EDT)

There are two Sideswipes! One from WFC and the novels, and one from RID. They have two separate pages; why can't we split Blurr? -- Cylasbreakdown (talk) 18:30, 23 February 2018 (EST)