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[edit]Does Burn Out really go in the "Female Transformer" category? She's female, but she's a piloted mech with an AI, and is in no way an actual Transformer except in outward appearance. --ItsWalky (talk) 00:03, 19 June 2015 (EDT)
Nightbird is an AI and gets Female Transformer category. Should be listed under "Half-qualifiers" on list of Female Transformers and tagged Female Transformer on her page.
- Well Nightbird was upgraded with Cybertronian tech in Legends. Burn Out is strictly an Earth mecha. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 17:30, 27 May 2016 (EDT)
Soooo... anyone notice that they mad Burn Out a guy in the product description? Does this count towards anything, or...? BaronXVI (talk) 10:32, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
- As much as any other editing flub in product copy for a character with an established gender, ie not much. -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 10:42, 21 July 2022 (EDT)
Split out Cybertronians from Diaclone mecha
[edit]Why is this on the Diaclone page anyway? We already had this thing with the Bug Bites and we ultimately came around to splitting it with a "see also" on the GoBot one. Escargon (talk) 10:22, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
- Agreed. The intro for this article comes off as really silly trying to incorporate both interpretations and the characterizations here are much more different than, say, Knock Out (Prime) and Knock Out (G1). Saix (talk) 14:19, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
- Thirded. It was fine when it was just a few cute shout outs but now that Hasbro is actively mining Diaclone content on a constant basis we need to re-evaluate our approach. Grum (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
- I'm fine with that. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 15:21, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
- Thirded. It was fine when it was just a few cute shout outs but now that Hasbro is actively mining Diaclone content on a constant basis we need to re-evaluate our approach. Grum (talk) 14:32, 22 July 2022 (EDT)
- No, massive disagree, the split is actually just making two bad and repetitive pages instead of one good one. She's literally branded as "Diaclone Universe Burn Out", and the personality is the same. Bug Bite is *terrible* precedent, and Lift Ticket, her cohort, has unanimous negative sentiment on the discussion page. Sky Shadow (talk) 13:14, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Is her personality the exact same? I mean it's not like either has much to go on in their original appearances, but the opening paragraphs seem different enough. As for Lift-Ticket's page, it was based only on what we had at the time, and all that we did have was the fact that he was getting a toy, since these things don't have bio information anymore. By all appearances "Diaclone Universe" simply means "Diaclone colors" rather than Diaclone itself, at least so far. Escargon (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Those "X Universe" labels ultimately just mean "based on this design/color scheme" (Twin Twist is clearly just the same Wrecker Autobot and not a suit piloted by a human) and "stubborn mecha suit" seems to me a different personality and conceit than "determined racer". Saix (talk) 13:39, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- ...I mean, Diaclone Universe Twin Twist.... does come with a pilot...
- And, really, frankly, "determined" vs "stubborn" does not... seem... at all incompatible. It seems more like one is directly influenced by the other, a mere thesaurus substitution of the same idea. --ItsWalky (talk) 15:18, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- like... [1] ItsWalky (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Yes, but Twin Twist isn't a lifeless mecha. As for the bit Saix brings up, I think the more pertinent bit is the "racer" bit, which Timelines Burn-Out is decidedly not. Escargon (talk) 19:21, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- I mean, RID Scourge isn't a racer, either, are we gonna give his Velocitron toy a new page? Saying a character, like, can't ... have a toy that features in a race if they weren't ever said to be in a race previously, saying that makes them too-different to be the same character... that... that does not seem sustainable. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Fair enough, yes, I completely forgot about that angle. Still, you said it yourself above; this version of the character isn't a Transformer. She's an artificially intelligent mecha who very explicitly comes from a very far off corner of the multiverse. Escargon (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- The lore of all the Diaclone decos who got Masterpieces tends to lean in the direction of treating it all as G1 continuity family even when, in Spin-Out's case, he was literally a mecha who later got a spark. That's the one avenue where Diaclone stuff continues to get fiction more substantial than one-panel cameos and one-paragraph copy, and I'd argue a far stronger precedent than arguing for the isolated integrity of a dead-and-buried BotCon set. Sky Shadow (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- I disagree; a comic with even a slight retail presence is far more substantial to me than a prose piece in a toy's packaging. And to be fair, Spin-Out is an outlier among these characters. Escargon (talk) 08:01, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- We have like 30 Nebulon pages where there's a line in at the bottom of the intro paragraph that says "sometimes they're fleshy Nebulans, sometimes they're Cybertronians" to keep us from separating pages pointlessly, and I'm not sure why we don't do that here. --ItsWalky (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- But they aren’t explicitly travelers from a non G1 dimension. Escargon (talk) 08:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- but like Burnout's GS toy says she's literally from the "Diaclone Universe", so --ItsWalky (talk) 10:39, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- s'pretty wild to say this Burnout can't be a traveler from another dimension in a toyline specifically about travelers from other dimensions, with indicators saying which universe they're from, and Burnout's says she's from the exact universe that the "other version" of the character is from --ItsWalky (talk) 10:42, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- But they aren’t explicitly travelers from a non G1 dimension. Escargon (talk) 08:54, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- We have like 30 Nebulon pages where there's a line in at the bottom of the intro paragraph that says "sometimes they're fleshy Nebulans, sometimes they're Cybertronians" to keep us from separating pages pointlessly, and I'm not sure why we don't do that here. --ItsWalky (talk) 08:32, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- I disagree; a comic with even a slight retail presence is far more substantial to me than a prose piece in a toy's packaging. And to be fair, Spin-Out is an outlier among these characters. Escargon (talk) 08:01, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- The lore of all the Diaclone decos who got Masterpieces tends to lean in the direction of treating it all as G1 continuity family even when, in Spin-Out's case, he was literally a mecha who later got a spark. That's the one avenue where Diaclone stuff continues to get fiction more substantial than one-panel cameos and one-paragraph copy, and I'd argue a far stronger precedent than arguing for the isolated integrity of a dead-and-buried BotCon set. Sky Shadow (talk) 04:19, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Fair enough, yes, I completely forgot about that angle. Still, you said it yourself above; this version of the character isn't a Transformer. She's an artificially intelligent mecha who very explicitly comes from a very far off corner of the multiverse. Escargon (talk) 21:04, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- I mean, RID Scourge isn't a racer, either, are we gonna give his Velocitron toy a new page? Saying a character, like, can't ... have a toy that features in a race if they weren't ever said to be in a race previously, saying that makes them too-different to be the same character... that... that does not seem sustainable. --ItsWalky (talk) 20:12, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Yes, but Twin Twist isn't a lifeless mecha. As for the bit Saix brings up, I think the more pertinent bit is the "racer" bit, which Timelines Burn-Out is decidedly not. Escargon (talk) 19:21, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- like... [1] ItsWalky (talk) 15:23, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Those "X Universe" labels ultimately just mean "based on this design/color scheme" (Twin Twist is clearly just the same Wrecker Autobot and not a suit piloted by a human) and "stubborn mecha suit" seems to me a different personality and conceit than "determined racer". Saix (talk) 13:39, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- Is her personality the exact same? I mean it's not like either has much to go on in their original appearances, but the opening paragraphs seem different enough. As for Lift-Ticket's page, it was based only on what we had at the time, and all that we did have was the fact that he was getting a toy, since these things don't have bio information anymore. By all appearances "Diaclone Universe" simply means "Diaclone colors" rather than Diaclone itself, at least so far. Escargon (talk) 13:34, 27 July 2022 (EDT)
- "Is not a Transformer but rather a lifeless suit of armor that a human rides" is an origin like "Actually a Gobot" or "Shattered Glass" - it really can't be reconciled with other origins and normally should not be listed on the same page.
- What I find strange is that we already split the Lift-Tickets - but the actual talk page discussing that split was exclusively against splitting them, even though I side with having done it I am a bit surprised that it went ahead. Unless there was a discussion somewhere else?
- Hasbro is trying to smudge things together by saying "They're real Transformers now, from a universe named Diaclone" (just like they smudged together G1 and SG Flamewar, or G1 Slicer / SG Wheeljack). I think if we were to indulge in that smudging-together and Ignore All Standards for the sake of not having two near-identical short confusing pages, we would have to have the opening line specify "Burn-Out is a Diaclone mech (and occasional Autobot)". Hasbro is trying to bring her to life, we can play along if we feel like it, but shouldn't be running ahead of them. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 11:11, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- The Lift-Ticket split only happened because Saix went and did it of his own accord. Same with his going ahead and splitting this page while the conversation is still going on.
- On a related note, we have Kuwagatrer and Zaptrap separate from each other due to the latter's extended profile distinguishing the two. --Sabrblade (talk) 11:26, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- In my eyes the split/merge debate boils down to a Watsonian perspective versus a Doylist one. I'm firmly in the latter camp; both BotCon Burn Out and Legacy Burn Out are literally just the Diaclone character, and then the Wreckers appearance is literally just a toy commercial for that existing decidedly-Diaclone toy! You obviously can't reconcile the mech portrayal and the individual one, but I personally don't think we should have to; multiple different contradictory interpretations of the same character should go on the same page, and we should let the reader chart the real-world evolution of the character. Frankly, the Autobot Lift-Ticket page as it stands is utterly laughable—"he's an Autobot". Like, what? At the very least, the Generations toys should be on both pages—and that speaks to a common problem with this wanton fragmentation, that we end up with redundant writeups on multiple pages that have to be maintained in tandem. To speak more generally, I also strongly disagreed with the Bug Bite split, and think the idea of "continuity transplants" as they're always called in the notes sections is a totally bunk thing the wiki made up and which only feels less and less useful as the franchise calcifies; Character X is Character X, regardless of what story they appear in, and I think by far the most salient argument for splits is simply that many pages would be too long otherwise. —The Wadapan (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Fully agreed. Both Burn Outs are fundamentally the same thing of "we have characterised this particular Diaclone toy into a character named Burn Out who can appear in Transformers stories", what universe they originate in is irrelevant IMO. We keep the robotic and organic Targetmasters on the same pages because splitting them based on backstory would be stupid. Similarly, we merged all those G1 versions of RID01 characters because, ultimately, continuity families are an imaginary concept that exist to help organise things, not something we should be a slave to, to the point of splitting one White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite from another White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite on the technicality of whether they're from a Primax universe or whatever it is the GoBots cluster is called. If characters originating from GoBots and Diaclone universes were routinely appearing in Unicron Trilogy stories or movieverse stories or whatever, maybe I'd feel different, but for all practical purposes those franchises are basically attached to G1 at the hip in the same fashion as the Beast Wars franchise, and I don't think drawing lines between them and G1 really achieves anything other than needlessly fragmenting information about what are always going to be the Same Guy in the eyes of both Hasbro and any fan who is not already knee-deep in the wiki sauce. Jalaguy (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- michaelscottThankYou.gif --ItsWalky (talk) 16:48, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- This, basically. --M Sipher (talk) 19:31, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- The G1 continuity argument doesn’t even work when Timelines Burn Out and Lift Ticket showed up in a TransTech comic! Not to mention that Bug Bite's showed up in Cyberverse. I don’t care if the toy is listed on here because yeah whatever ultimately, that particular bit is right to do, but it’s ridiculous to me to do this for characters who have nothing in common in their fictional appearances. And we have hundreds of pages where we go “x is an x”, I don’t see why it’s a problem for this one. Escargon (talk) 17:28, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Fully agreed. Both Burn Outs are fundamentally the same thing of "we have characterised this particular Diaclone toy into a character named Burn Out who can appear in Transformers stories", what universe they originate in is irrelevant IMO. We keep the robotic and organic Targetmasters on the same pages because splitting them based on backstory would be stupid. Similarly, we merged all those G1 versions of RID01 characters because, ultimately, continuity families are an imaginary concept that exist to help organise things, not something we should be a slave to, to the point of splitting one White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite from another White G1 Bumblebee Called Bug Bite on the technicality of whether they're from a Primax universe or whatever it is the GoBots cluster is called. If characters originating from GoBots and Diaclone universes were routinely appearing in Unicron Trilogy stories or movieverse stories or whatever, maybe I'd feel different, but for all practical purposes those franchises are basically attached to G1 at the hip in the same fashion as the Beast Wars franchise, and I don't think drawing lines between them and G1 really achieves anything other than needlessly fragmenting information about what are always going to be the Same Guy in the eyes of both Hasbro and any fan who is not already knee-deep in the wiki sauce. Jalaguy (talk) 16:22, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- In my eyes the split/merge debate boils down to a Watsonian perspective versus a Doylist one. I'm firmly in the latter camp; both BotCon Burn Out and Legacy Burn Out are literally just the Diaclone character, and then the Wreckers appearance is literally just a toy commercial for that existing decidedly-Diaclone toy! You obviously can't reconcile the mech portrayal and the individual one, but I personally don't think we should have to; multiple different contradictory interpretations of the same character should go on the same page, and we should let the reader chart the real-world evolution of the character. Frankly, the Autobot Lift-Ticket page as it stands is utterly laughable—"he's an Autobot". Like, what? At the very least, the Generations toys should be on both pages—and that speaks to a common problem with this wanton fragmentation, that we end up with redundant writeups on multiple pages that have to be maintained in tandem. To speak more generally, I also strongly disagreed with the Bug Bite split, and think the idea of "continuity transplants" as they're always called in the notes sections is a totally bunk thing the wiki made up and which only feels less and less useful as the franchise calcifies; Character X is Character X, regardless of what story they appear in, and I think by far the most salient argument for splits is simply that many pages would be too long otherwise. —The Wadapan (talk) 16:08, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
It should be noted that the labels "Diaclone Universe" / "G2 Universe" / etc. can't actually be taken to mean what they sound, frustrating as that may be. They're just Hasbro's marketing-speak for "this toy is based on a Diaclone origin" because evidently they don't feel like using the wording "Diaclone Series". If we took them literally, then Legacy Road Rocket would not be from the same world as G1 precursors, and Generations Selects Lift-Ticket should not be a mecha which has an Autobot insignia. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 16:27, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- For what it's worth — my perspective is that Diaclone and GoBots are not continuity families. If we covered Diaclone and GoBots as a whole then splitting them would make sense, but as-is I don't think they should be split under the continuity family rules because the universe-hopping versions aren't from "another continuity family", because they aren't from ANY continuity family. --Riptide (talk) 19:09, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- But the ones who aren't universe jumping ones/who are normal Cybertronians ARE from a specific continuity family; there's now multiple Bug Bites who aren't G1. Escargon (talk) 19:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Sure, so the universe hoppers go on the page of the most relevant one. For Bug Bite that'd be the universe he jumped to (G1), for Burn Out it'd be first non-Diaclone incarnation (Legacy/IDW2/also G1). --Riptide (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- I think that's far less reader friendly than just keeping them separate and having a note explaining how the GoBot/Diaclone is connected to the Transformer. Escargon (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- No, sorry, I disagree. Burn Out and Lift-Ticket (and Spinout) are the same principle as Road Rage and Tigertrack; they're "Transformers versions" of Diaclone decoes. It's just that some stories with the former decided to lean into the Diaclone origins, but that doesn't change what they are in concept. --Riptide (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Bug Bite probably also isn't the best analogy, when there would exist anyway a Bug Bite (Go-Bots) page from the comic, and at that point you already have two pages for your G1 cameos and your deep FunPub Go-Bots lore + the Scioli comic. Whereas Lift Ticket and Burn Out, as I argued on Lift Ticket's page, if you split them, there's a bare minimum of story that isn't benefited from splitting. Especially since Legacy is explicitly dealing with multiverse nonsense, and there's history of "Diaclone decos are actually G1 Transformers who turn out to be from Diaclone". Honestly, I think the easiest thing for the readers who aren't wiki editors is keep Lift Ticket and Burn-Out together. There just isn't enough surrounding story material for "Diaclone" to consider it its own 'franchise', imo. (There's also the argument that Transformers doesn't make "Diaclone" toys, only Transformers toys, but I don't want to get into that when Road Ranger was explicitly a Go-Bots guy just this year, no-one wants to go back to the Go-Bots wars. AkibaSilver (talk) 21:28, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- No, sorry, I disagree. Burn Out and Lift-Ticket (and Spinout) are the same principle as Road Rage and Tigertrack; they're "Transformers versions" of Diaclone decoes. It's just that some stories with the former decided to lean into the Diaclone origins, but that doesn't change what they are in concept. --Riptide (talk) 21:07, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Thanks to the Scioli comic GoBots has a continuity family now. Dump the dimension-hoppers there. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 22:18, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- GoBots has also had a universal cluster name for years now: Gargent. And we equate universal clusters with continuity families, since that's what they were meant to be in the first place.
- Though, there is also the unique case of Stretch, a GoBot dimension-hopper who was given a backstory in Transformers fiction that made him originate from the world of Animated before first coming to the world of the GoBots cartoon. --Sabrblade (talk) 23:00, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Universal clusters are an in-universe concept analogous to the out-of-universe concept of continuity families, but they're not the same thing and it's still family we sort by, not cluster. And families are a made-up organisational concept, not something inflexible that we're a slave to. Just like the existence of a "Fornax" universal cluster doesn't stop us putting Kreons of G1 Optimus on G1 Optimus's page, the fact that one Burn Out is from "Cymond" and one is from "Primax" shouldn't oblige us to separate two toys that are fundamentally the same thing in the eyes of Hasbro, and in the eyes of all fans who aren't extremely deep in the sauce.
- And yes, you could say "well Jala are you saying we should also merge G1-ified versions of Prime characters onto the same articles as the Prime versions, and so on?" And my response would be "there is probably an argument that could be made for that, but I think in practice it would be unwieldy and cause a million individual arguments, so my current thinking would be to just treat characters from Diaclone and GoBots universes in this way, given that these two have been treated consistently within the Transformers brand as being G1-adjacent, rather than their own standalone things." Jalaguy (talk) 04:00, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- Once again I stress to both you and Riptide above that I am not talking about the toys themselves. I'm talking about the fictional portrayals. Yes, in basic terms of toys, I don't disagree that Burn Out and Lift Ticket are "Transformers versions" of the Diaclone toys. But in the fiction, as originally depicted, they aren't "Transformers versions," they are literally the Diaclone mechas themselves. And Spin-Out is a complete opposite because his original bit of fiction has him as a Cybertronian with no connections to Diaclone! I don't get how to make that point any clearer. Escargon (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- It's clear, we just think that's less important than having one good page instead of two bad ones that don't serve anything other than worshipping that particular point. --ItsWalky (talk) 15:15, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- I mean, Spin-Out being the opposite situation doesn't change the fact that he has one piece of fiction with him as a "natural-born" Transformer and one with him as a former Diaclone mech. Let's say that, I dunno, Beast Wars Uprising included... uh... Autocrusher, but instead of being a Cybertronian he was a robot created by the Terran Confederacy with a human-created AI for a mind. We wouldn't split under those circumstances, right? --Riptide (talk) 19:28, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- Well in that particular case it wouldn't matter because Autocrusher is a BW continuity character. I was the one who originally pushed the whole "we should merge the Nebulans with the robotic Targetmasters" thing back in 2014/2015, I've been around here forever. Escargon (talk) 19:32, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- I guess I'm not following. Are you arguing that we should split Spin-Out, or are you arguing that he shouldn't be split solely because the "he's originally an Autobot" story happened to come out before the "he's a former Diaclone" one? Because, either way, I disagree. --Riptide (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- No, Spin-Out is an entirely seperate situation to me because he only becomes a Transformer once he's in a Generation 1 universe by Vector Sigma. At that point he's no longer a mecha and that's satisfactory to me. Escargon (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- So... if we got a new piece of fiction where the Diaclone Burn Out went to a G1 universe and got Transformer-ized by Vector Sigma, which page would she go on? Or would we merge them, even though there were now "just a Diaclone", "former Diaclone turned Transformer", AND "just a Transformer" versions? I think that distinction is unhelpful and nitpicky. --Riptide (talk) 19:43, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- No, Spin-Out is an entirely seperate situation to me because he only becomes a Transformer once he's in a Generation 1 universe by Vector Sigma. At that point he's no longer a mecha and that's satisfactory to me. Escargon (talk) 19:39, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- I guess I'm not following. Are you arguing that we should split Spin-Out, or are you arguing that he shouldn't be split solely because the "he's originally an Autobot" story happened to come out before the "he's a former Diaclone" one? Because, either way, I disagree. --Riptide (talk) 19:36, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- Well in that particular case it wouldn't matter because Autocrusher is a BW continuity character. I was the one who originally pushed the whole "we should merge the Nebulans with the robotic Targetmasters" thing back in 2014/2015, I've been around here forever. Escargon (talk) 19:32, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- Once again I stress to both you and Riptide above that I am not talking about the toys themselves. I'm talking about the fictional portrayals. Yes, in basic terms of toys, I don't disagree that Burn Out and Lift Ticket are "Transformers versions" of the Diaclone toys. But in the fiction, as originally depicted, they aren't "Transformers versions," they are literally the Diaclone mechas themselves. And Spin-Out is a complete opposite because his original bit of fiction has him as a Cybertronian with no connections to Diaclone! I don't get how to make that point any clearer. Escargon (talk) 11:06, 29 July 2022 (EDT)
- I think that's far less reader friendly than just keeping them separate and having a note explaining how the GoBot/Diaclone is connected to the Transformer. Escargon (talk) 20:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- Sure, so the universe hoppers go on the page of the most relevant one. For Bug Bite that'd be the universe he jumped to (G1), for Burn Out it'd be first non-Diaclone incarnation (Legacy/IDW2/also G1). --Riptide (talk) 20:09, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
- But the ones who aren't universe jumping ones/who are normal Cybertronians ARE from a specific continuity family; there's now multiple Bug Bites who aren't G1. Escargon (talk) 19:24, 28 July 2022 (EDT)
Autobot Burnout or Diaburnout
[edit][2] HasbroPulse has this toy as "Autobot Burn Out." That feels like it's meant to be the English language name for this toy, and so I'd feel compelled to edit the MP entry accordingly, but maybe there's some reason not to. --ItsWalky (talk) 12:36, 11 August 2022 (EDT)
- Since it's a Takara product first, I'd suggest keeping it at the Japanese name, while noting that Hasbro Pulse's import of the toy refers to it as "Autobot Burn Out" in the text description, bolding the Pulse name for emphasis. After all, Pulse's own description emphasizes the Japanese-ness of the release, calling it "an authentic Takara Tomy product as sold in Japan" and "comes with original packaging and Japanese-language instructions." Said packaging will likely feature the Japanese name, "Dia Burn Out" (or however it'll be spelled) written in English. --Sabrblade (talk) 12:45, 11 August 2022 (EDT)
Diaclone vs Timelines
[edit]While Burn Out and Lift-Ticket did originate in Timelines-branded media, on the whole we avoid using Timelines when there's another appropriate descriptor, treating Timelines as more of an "additions to other franchises" branding. That said, I wouldn't be wholly opposed -- you could make good arguments for them being at G1, Diaclone, or (honestly) TransTech. I don't have strong feelings against them being at Diaclone, but I don't have strong feelings against them being at Timelines, either. --Riptide (talk) 13:42, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- Given both the aforementioned continuity ambiguity of the original Timelines fiction and the fact that Diaclone is now an alive and strong external franchise TakaraTomy threatens to cross us over with any day now, I personally lean towards Timelines for the disambig. -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 14:06, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- I think Diaclone is fine and Timelines/TransTech are really ugly options. Saix (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- Every few years we have the discussion about the Timelines disambig and everyone always agrees that it sucks. As for TransTech, to the average reader it would probably imply that they are TransTech type transformers. Diaclone is fineEscargon (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- Okay now that we've scrounged up an "in bounds" depiction of the true original body everything else is approximating, Timelines would look pretty silly and I can live with Diaclone. -AzimuthAcolyte (talk) 12:58, 27 August 2022 (EDT)
- Every few years we have the discussion about the Timelines disambig and everyone always agrees that it sucks. As for TransTech, to the average reader it would probably imply that they are TransTech type transformers. Diaclone is fineEscargon (talk) 14:19, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- I think Diaclone is fine and Timelines/TransTech are really ugly options. Saix (talk) 14:09, 26 August 2022 (EDT)
- I'm on the Diaclone Disambiguation side. After all, it's not like Drag Strip and the other Animated Stunticons get Timelines disambiguations, despite appearing in a timelines comic first, so this fits with that. Tindalos (talk) 12:20, 29 August 2022 (EDT)
"(more on that in a bit)" [sic]
[edit]I have repeatedly removed the illiterate, meaningless "(more on that in a bit)" drivel which appears in the Masterpiece Diaburnout section of this page and on others, but the insolent, arrogant M Sipher has repeatedly put it back. There are multiple other faults with the text of the aforementioned section, but I'm rather tired of this tedious illiterate's serial undoings. Illiterates cannot be helped. -Repersonne (talk) 13:43, 4 October 2024 (EDT)
- Frankly, it seems arrogant to me that you are resorting to name-calling just because a moderator undid your very minor edit. You were given a reason why your edit wasn't correct. Leave it alone and maybe focus on better ways to contribute to the wiki.-TitaniumToughGuy (talk) 15:46, 4 October 2024 (EDT)