Talk:Dauros
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[edit]Do we have to do the Dauros thing for Skullgrin's appearance in Transgressors? I reviewed Stormbringer today, and all Springer did was toss a grenade at Skullgrin. Maybe intended to be fatal at the time, but given everything IDW has established about Cybertronian fatalities since then, I think its easier to say Skullgrin was just injured and locked up afterwards, like Bludgeon. --Xaaron (talk) 21:17, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
- I think Blood would of just been called Bomb-Burst in Punishment, then. Escargon (talk) 21:18, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
- ...Is that a vote for or against? --Xaaron (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
- Yeah, Skullgrin's defeat in that issue could easily be written off as nothing more than that if someone really wanted him alive. He's behind a grenade explosion and then doesn't appear anymore. There's no body and no confirmation of deadness. If the Monsterbots can just show up alive again... --ItsWalky (talk) 01:38, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- What I'm saying is, someone just ask John Barber on Twitter or whatever. --ItsWalky (talk) 01:53, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- No harm in checking, but I'd bet bloody anything that it was scripted as Dauros. Punishment had the city being positively awash with Masterforce Pretenders, all drawn based on the inner robot. Now we have another Pretender inner robot in the same city by the same author, whose American counterpart got blown up (and was based on his shell). This isn't fanwank like with the Micromaster stuff - frankly, I think calling him Skullgrin is the tenuous, deserves-a-raised-eyebrow option here. Jalaguy (talk) 05:12, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- I think it was like that in Punishment because they were all getting horribly murdered before the end. Another point -- we've already seen "Inner Robot Skullgrin" in Autocracy #12. If we do settle on Stormbringer look = Skullgrin and inner robot = Dauros, I'd say the Autocracy appearance should be Dauros as well. --Xaaron (talk) 07:26, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- No harm in checking, but I'd bet bloody anything that it was scripted as Dauros. Punishment had the city being positively awash with Masterforce Pretenders, all drawn based on the inner robot. Now we have another Pretender inner robot in the same city by the same author, whose American counterpart got blown up (and was based on his shell). This isn't fanwank like with the Micromaster stuff - frankly, I think calling him Skullgrin is the tenuous, deserves-a-raised-eyebrow option here. Jalaguy (talk) 05:12, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- What I'm saying is, someone just ask John Barber on Twitter or whatever. --ItsWalky (talk) 01:53, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Yeah, Skullgrin's defeat in that issue could easily be written off as nothing more than that if someone really wanted him alive. He's behind a grenade explosion and then doesn't appear anymore. There's no body and no confirmation of deadness. If the Monsterbots can just show up alive again... --ItsWalky (talk) 01:38, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- ...Is that a vote for or against? --Xaaron (talk) 22:30, 20 August 2015 (EDT)
I'm voting "Skullgrin" unless the author specifically says it's Dauros, Frankly, I'm getting sick of this; it's not the wiki's place to try and win a fucking No-Prize for this shit. No, wait. I've been sick of it for a while now. If it's a weird error to have someone dead back to life, then it's an error and we catalog it like a wiki is supposed to do instead of making shit up to justify it like a wiki ISN'T FUCKING SUPPOSED TO. --M Sipher (talk) 18:51, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- So that's ONE for Skullgrin. Two, counting me. Anyone else? FYI, I don't have Twitter, so I'm not asking Barber anything. --Xaaron (talk) 19:42, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- I don't think you've got the proper context for this to be so worked up about it, Sipher. This isn't a wiki-created explanation for an apparent error, this is simply follow the precedent established by "Punishment", as Jalaguy has detailed above. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:12, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Isn't that precedent a "wiki-created explanation", though? Blood was named by the wiki, not by Punishment, wasn't he? I do believe that's the context of Sipher's "I've been sick for a while now". --Xaaron (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Yeah, but that he was only assumed to be Blood because Lander and Diver were explicitly named. And I did later confirm that it was scripted as Blood in a Twitter conversation with Livio. I agree with Sipher in general - I always disliked the stuff that we were trying to pull with the Gorlam Micromasters - but in this particular case I'd be arguing that this is Dauros even if Skullgrin strolled happily out of Stormbringer with a smile on his face, because the author very recently set a very clear precedent for guys in this city who look like 1988 Pretender inner robots. Jalaguy (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- I think that could be documented better, then. If you look at the Notes here, it reads like, "We the Wiki took it upon ourselves to dub him Blood." --Xaaron (talk) 20:56, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- If you guys have a direct link to John Barber, then could you also ask him about Onslaught/Great Cannon and the erroneous appearances of Hot Spot and Streetwise? While I find those possibilities much less likely, it would be really cool if we could in fact classify those appearances as Great Cannon, Fire Chief, and Streetstar. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 22:55, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Yeah, you're right. I've updated it with a link to the relevant tweet. Jalaguy (talk) 05:02, 22 August 2015 (EDT)
- I think that could be documented better, then. If you look at the Notes here, it reads like, "We the Wiki took it upon ourselves to dub him Blood." --Xaaron (talk) 20:56, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Yeah, but that he was only assumed to be Blood because Lander and Diver were explicitly named. And I did later confirm that it was scripted as Blood in a Twitter conversation with Livio. I agree with Sipher in general - I always disliked the stuff that we were trying to pull with the Gorlam Micromasters - but in this particular case I'd be arguing that this is Dauros even if Skullgrin strolled happily out of Stormbringer with a smile on his face, because the author very recently set a very clear precedent for guys in this city who look like 1988 Pretender inner robots. Jalaguy (talk) 20:35, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Let's just do the sensible thing and ask, not guess. No need for a temper tantrum. --Giggidy (talk) 20:17, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
- Isn't that precedent a "wiki-created explanation", though? Blood was named by the wiki, not by Punishment, wasn't he? I do believe that's the context of Sipher's "I've been sick for a while now". --Xaaron (talk) 20:25, 21 August 2015 (EDT)
Did Barber ever give a response on this issue? --Xaaron (talk) 12:09, 9 October 2015 (EDT)