Talk:Dino

Why is this as (Movie) instead of (DOTM)? Dead Metal 15:56, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Scroll down to the Merchandise section. --KilMichaelMcC 16:16, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Dino?

http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-just-movie-31/transformers-dark-of-the-moon-ferrari-458-italia-is-172358/ Is this true, or complete bull?--Primo 16:50, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Supposedly, this is pure truth. All I can say is... DEAR GOD, PLEASE NO.

¡Usa El Queso! 23:07, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

Even if he's referred to as such in the movie, we usually stick to whatever names Hasbro gives them, as with Brawl and several ROTF Construticons. --FFN 23:33, 3 June 2011 (EDT)

How about listing "Dino" under "foreign names"? Probably not, I think, but it might be a good place for it, so I thought I'd throw that out there. - ¡Usa El Queso! ^{Complain here} 01:24, 30 June 2011 (EDT)

Then why call him Mirage if he appears to be called Dino?

Because the novelization, comic adaptation and toys all refer to him as Mirage. He's only called Dino in the film. --Detour 11:02, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

Alt mode

Is the toy a Ferrari?-ACIDSTORM92 15:56, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Hard to tell with all that transluscent plastic drowning out the details. --Detour 16:01, 7 July 2011 (EDT)

Deluxe Toy?

is there gonna be one?

Yes.

TF: Prime Cyberverse

Why isn't his Cyberverse toy mentioned on this page?--Primo 15:25, 2 February 2012 (EST)

Because it's possible it would go on a Mirage (Prime) page. --ItsWalky 15:35, 2 February 2012 (EST)

I think the toy is meant to be the movie incarnation of Mirage, since Mirage toy have the Prime name removed from the box just like Evac and Soundwave

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hasbro considers him dino

http://www.tfw2005.com/boards/transformers-movie-discussion/549989-mirage-dino-tf4-28.html#post7316102 will the page be renamed or we will keep the Mirage name since the Mirage name was used more than the name Dino?

[1] —Interrobang 17:33, 21 February 2012 (EST)

Early script death

Why is there not a note on his proposed death?--24.69.64.254 17:55, 15 March 2012 (EDT)

Deadpool

Does anyone notice that he looks like Deadpool?Spoon 02:43, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

How? Aside from being black and red, how does he resemble Deadpool? --Khajidha 09:10, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

He's Italian. -LV 09:56, 28 March 2012 (EDT)

Inaccurate Toys

Why are none of the toys for Dino Ferraris? Skywarp Prime (talk) 14:21, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

Legitimate question: how old are you? Not trying to be mean, but almost all of the questions you are asking are answered directly in the article, including this one. Escargon (talk) 14:31, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

I can tell you are mentioning the thing I said on the Fallen page. I was just rather confused with what they were trying to say, and I hadn't noticed the link to the page explaining the term I didn't understand. Skywarp Prime (talk) 14:43, 16 September 2019 (EDT)Skywarp Prime

No, I'm talking about this article as well. It very clearly states in both the toy and notes section that because Mattel held the Ferrari license at the time for Hot Wheels, Hasbro couldn't use the actual car. Escargon (talk) 15:00, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

I've looked very thoroughly in the toys section it does not mention the Mattel licensing issues, however, you were right about it mentioning the problems in the notes section. Is it possible in the future Hasbro could come out with an accurate Mirage figure?

Not likely. Mattel would have to lose the Ferrari license and Hasbro would have to then get said license before they could make a toy that actually looked like a Ferrari. --Khajidha (talk) 17:26, 16 September 2019 (EDT)

Move to Dino

I agree with changing his name to Dino as it is the name spoken within the film and he now has three toys supporting this name. If this character was really meant to be called Mirage then I would think that HasTak would make more of an effort to support this which they haven't. I know he is loosely based off of the G1 character and even early concept art depicted him having the power of invisiblity, but the film itself doesn't support this ability at all. In conclusion I agree with the move to Dino and having (AKA Mirage) in the opening paragraph of his page. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

In my opinion it's mostly a matter of what Hasbro considers the "real" name to be. Brawl has consistently been "Brawl" on toys rather than "Devastator", so I think we can assume that's still Hasbro's preference. Dino, by contrast, is now being called Dino rather than Mirage. (We have yet to see any updated toys of Que/Wheeljack, but I wouldn't be surprised if somewhere down the line we get an ST "Autobot Que" toy.) --Riptide (talk) 18:19, 13 November 2020 (EST)

Oops, thanks for adding my signature, I made sure I had everything in check before posting and that still managed to slip my mind smh. And yeah, I believe Hasbro using "Devastator" for Brawl would also cause too much confusion for fans since we got a "correct" Devastator in ROTF. Besides, all early concepts for the character and the naming from Hasbro was originally Brawl anyway, it was Michael Bay (and maybe a few others behind the scenes) who preferred the name Devastator, which I do think is pretty fitting for a tank Decepticon who single-handedly held off the Autobots until the other Decepticons arrived in Mission City.

As for Hasbro using certain names as their preference would still indicate that Dino is the name we'll see the most, since we haven't seen him being called "Mirage" in any toys, merchandise or fiction since 2012 at the latest. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 18:50, 13 November 2020 (EST)

There's also the change in authority that's happened at Hasbro since DOTM to consider. Before, it was Aaron Archer and Friends who named the Cyberverse Legion and Speed Stars toys "Mirage" and made the tie-in comics and video games use that name, while its now the current team who are onboard with the onscreen name of "Dino", using it for both the Tiny Turbo Changer and the Studio Series figure, and don't seem to care all that much about the old team's insistence of the "Mirage" name. --Sabrblade (talk) 18:59, 13 November 2020 (EST)

That is also very true, it would also explain the retcon with Skipjack now being Devastator's left leg instead of a yellow Rampage. Not to mention the fact that Hasbro based all the earlier toys for Rampage off of the concept art for the old yellow design and possibly made the connection much like they did with all the other Constructicons (Mixmaster and Long Haul for example) and made Rampage the same character as at the time they didn't know the finished Rampage in the film was made orange/red. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 19:13, 13 November 2020 (EST)

Alright, so my position on the name change has been swayed after seeing the images of the kill card props for AOE specifically stating him as "Mirage". This would indicate that he was only ever called "Dino" as a nickname (in-universe of course) due to his Ferrari alternate form.

With that cleared up more or less, on a prop used specifically for the film, should we remove the move suggestion at the top of the page? (I'm not entirely sure who added it or when it was added). Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 04:19, 15 November 2020 (EST)

A minor prop and your speculation are not definitive statements. Saix (talk) 06:55, 15 November 2020 (EST)

Fair enough, where do you stand on the name change? Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 07:37, 15 November 2020 (EST)

I for one believe that DOTM's namedrop weights more than the AOE's playing card that we barely get to see in the movie. We also have more toys named Dino rather than Mirage by now, so I would be okay with the move. Fritz (talk) 12:35, 15 November 2020 (EST)

Even if "Dino" is just his nickname or alias, it can still be the name of this article since its the more prominent moniker. We have Leland Bishop's article at "Silas", after all. --Sabrblade (talk) 17:17, 15 November 2020 (EST)

Okay, if there's no objections, I'll move this in the next few days...? --Riptide (talk) 11:46, 17 November 2020 (EST)

Sounds good. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 15:39, 17 November 2020 (EST)

This is a little weird to me - we haven't moved all the many G1 characters whose modern toys have different names... --flicky1991 08:34, 20 November 2020 (EST)

Those names were changed due to trademark reasons. Dino's name was used in most fiction and with most of his toys supporting this name, means that it's the name HasTak prefers to use for the character. Fanofcoolstuff27 (talk) 14:26, 20 November 2020 (EST)

This situation is more in line with the Jetfire/Skyfire debate from back when the character was first introduced in G1 (both names existed since basically the character's introduction), rather than any recent name changes to characters who had only one name established for decades prior. Fritz (talk) 14:31, 20 November 2020 (EST)

Split Mirage (ROTB)?

I'm not sure if this might prove controversial (apologies if so), but it seems reasonable to me to split off ROTB Mirage from this page. Two main reasons:

• Mirage's prominence in the marketing for ROTB means this page will likely become popular with casual viewers over the next few months, and it seems needlessly confusing for these people looking for info on the blue Porsche guy named Mirage to be redirected to a page on this red Ferrari guy named Dino (who also goes by Mirage sometimes, please see the notes section to understand why you are on this page)
• Given that all recent official material has referred to Dino as such, it seems reasonable to assume that Hasbro/Paramount considers the Mirage name obsolete for Dino, and would thus view ROTB Mirage as a different character. Obviously, not working for either company, I can't be 100% certain on this, and am willing to be proven wrong once the movie releases if they do indeed decide to connect the two.

Does anyone have any points against the split? It just seems a lot more casual user friendly to keep them separate, at least for now. BT383 (talk) 14:37, 13 February 2023 (EST)

I think that makes sense. I would also argue that Wheeljack prrrrrrobably isn't meant to be the G1-looking guy from Bumblebee or the Robot Einstein from ROTF, but I guess we don't actually have any characterisation for Wheeljack yet, so it's a bit more ambiguous. --Riptide (talk) 15:05, 13 February 2023 (EST)

In this particular situation, I don’t necessarily disagree. What I do disagree with is the notion that just because Hasbro decides something retroactively means we have to bend over backwards to accommodate it. It’s entirely against the point of the wiki to do so, and it’s become more and more of a recurring point that people have tried to push and I for one am absolutely pushing for nipping that sort of behavior in the bud. Escargon (talk) 15:20, 13 February 2023 (EST)

I'm not sure I follow. Do you mean "Hasbro considers Mirage to be "Dino"?" Because that's more of an instance of "previously, the toys and fiction didn't line up, so we defaulted to the Toyline Name; but now the fiction name is being used in the toyline, so the one that's used across both should take precedence". --Riptide (talk) 18:28, 13 February 2023 (EST)

I'm talking in general. If it weren't for the ROTB guy, I would not be convinced that because Hasbro keeps calling him Dino, that his namespace should be at Dino. Just because Hasbro does something now doesn't erase the original intent. Escargon (talk) 21:07, 13 February 2023 (EST)

Shouldn't it be "(Movie)", considering that silly 3D card thing? Saix (talk) 16:30, 21 February 2023 (EST)

It should probably be split into 3 segments then. Movie for the 3D Battle Card, Dino for DOTM and Mirage (ROTB) for the one in the movie.

Or just have ROTB Mirage have a toggle switch section here so we don't necassarily have to split. Just like with UT Mirage and Tidal Wave.--Poliwag06 (talk) 21:14, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

good god no we're not splitting the 3D card into its own page --M Sipher (talk) 23:05, 18 May 2023 (EDT)

We ABSOLUTELY don't need to put any Mirages at (Movie) because of the card thing. Just "Dino" and "Mirage (ROTB)". McBaggins (talk) 02:51, 19 May 2023 (EDT)

Yeah, the card can go wherever, who cares, but ROTB Mirage absolutely needs to be separated from Dino. KilMichaelMcC (talk) 05:58, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

True. To play safe tho, let's just use the approach we took for the "intended to be a different character but was repurposed to be the same guy" Energon characters like Energon roadblock, Energon Mirage etc.Poliwag06 (talk) 06:12, 20 May 2023 (EDT)

Surely it is clear enough at this point that ROTB Mirage needs his own page separate from Dino, yes? I mean right now anyone looking up movie info and following the Mirage link from the main article cast list gets sent to this page with its opening paragraph all about the random red guy with the different name from an earlier movie.KilMichaelMcC (talk) 10:20, 7 June 2023 (EDT)

Dino's injured arm

You can actually see him getting shot in the arm when the Autobots begin their counter attack. We even have a Picture of it on the Wiki https://tfwiki.net/wiki/File:Mirage_battle.JPG (AutoTrooper2801 (talk) 10:11, 4 December 2023 (EST))