Talk:Dissolution Part 3: A World Misplaced

Not sure why it's assumed Nova Prime's colors are an error when this is a different timeline. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:33, 22 February 2017 (EST)

It's a divergent timeline. History is the same up to Megatron's creation, then splits off. Escargon (talk) 17:40, 22 February 2017 (EST)

I guess I'm not 100% certain it's as straightforward as that. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 18:34, 22 February 2017 (EST)

...why wouldn't it be? The issues where it debuted all but state that outright. And for all their time-hopping, Brainstorm and his pursuers never make it to Nova's era. Magaroja (talk) 14:47, 23 February 2017 (EST)

I agree with KilMichaelMcC. When was the last time Nova used his Nemesis Prime colour scheme? It would have been back in the -ation series, right? Seems to me like an odd mistake to make in 2016-2017. I'm of the opinion that the decision to colour Nova in his Nemesis colour scheme was a little nod to the common "mirror universe" trope of alternate colour schemes, and not a colouring error. --LordGigaIce (talk) 16:35, 23 February 2017 (EST)

That doesn't mean it makes sense. - Chris McFeely (talk) 16:39, 23 February 2017 (EST)

First, I think you're taking what was meant to a wink at the audience a bit too seriously. Honestly, not everything needs to dissected down to its base elements. Something about not seeing the forest for the trees and the like. Secondly, we know that Brainstorm's plan to go back in time to kill Megs before he was born had nothing to do with the Functionist Universe's creation. He was always destined to try it, and always destined to lead to Megatron's birth anyway. Likewise the Functionist takeover in the Functionist Universe was the natural outcome of events in that universe. It is by all accounts a self-contained alternate universe, and not a "branched timeline." That being said...it's one guy coloured funny in one panel. I'm not dying on a hill over this, but I think we (a collective "we") need to take a step back at times and just take something for what it was likely intended to be. --LordGigaIce (talk) 16:45, 23 February 2017 (EST)

I have no idea what you're babbling on about. The entire point of the FU is that it's the exact same universe except without Megatron. Nova was before Megatron. Him having his Nemesis color scheme is a continuity mistake; it's not that complicated. Saix (talk) 16:53, 23 February 2017 (EST)

It's not a branched timeline, but it's not just an arbitrary parallel world either - there's a logic to its differences, which is "world in which none of the time travel happened". "World in which none of the time travel happened and also Nova Prime is different colours" wouldn't make a lot of sense? Jalaguy (talk) 16:54, 23 February 2017 (EST)

I'm just saying "an Easter Egg intended as a wink to mirror universe tropes" is probably what it was meant to be. Maybe it doesn't make sense strictly speaking, but sometimes ya gotta take a step back and just accept things for what they are. And Saix, um, what I'm "babbling on about" is the fact that Perceptor confirms in MTMTE#38 that the Lost Light crew's time travelling had nothing to do with the creation of the Functionist timeline. I would argue that it's a self-contained alternate universe that's mostly the same save for a few differences, the key one being Megatron's absence. Still, I'm not getting into this over a G-ddamn colouring choice, but still. Get over yourself and try not to be so insulting next time you stumble across a disagreement. --LordGigaIce (talk) 17:07, 23 February 2017 (EST)

What you're doing again is pushing a convoluted argument that has nothing to do with the actual premise of the universe, in either a narrative or fictional sense, so you can say it's a reference to the concept of mirror universes that makes no sense. If things before the divergence point can differ, then what this universe tells us has zero relevance to the main universe, never mind that the story literally shows us that it is supposed to be the exact same before the divergence point. I've seen you argue this on the Allspark and you never actually address any rebuttals, so sorry if I'm gonna be blunt with you. Saix (talk) 18:41, 23 February 2017 (EST)

Look all I was trying to get it is, well, just look a couple notes down: "We'd call it an error, but we've been burned once too often by jumping to that conclusion. Tricksy Robertses." I mean, you know? Wibbly-wobbly-timey-whimey and all that? I just wouldn't assume error. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:22, 23 February 2017 (EST)

What if Nova Prime had a penchant for trying on new colors like Shockwave and it just came to the fore after he was stranded in the Dead Universe? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 20:10, 23 February 2017 (EST)

Well thanks S.H.I.E.L.D. Now I want a Cybertronian makeover show starring Nova Prime and a pre-shadowplay Shockwave :P THANKS FOR TAUNTING ME WITH WHAT I CAN NEVER HAVE! --LordGigaIce (talk) 23:14, 23 February 2017 (EST)

Given what we know of Cybertron's early history (most pertinently with regard to Nova Prime's spark-splicing enterprise) then if the universes did have parallel timelines up until Megatron did/didn't exist, wouldn't that mean that the Matrix carried by Six-of-Twelve is the fake created by the member of Tyrest's team who had a crisis of conscience and the real Matrix is still out there, hidden somewhere? Minimus Ambus, at least, knows the story behind that, as Tyrest explained it all to him in issue #19 and Ratchet was told that Nominus's Matrix was a fake all the way back in "Shadowplay", which seems an awful lot of foreshadowing. --Emvee (talk) 07:30, 25 February 2017 (EST)

Rung's altmode

I'm pretty sure Rodimus would know what Rung's altmode looks like as well as Swerve and Nightbeat—he was standing right there when Swerve clobbered Paddox with it, said "You can change back now, Rung" and Rung's altmode replied "Did it work?". Even for someone as self-absorbed as Roddy, I don't think we can assume he missed that... unless it can be explained away by "everyone forgets Rung" maybe? --Emvee (talk) 07:05, 25 February 2017 (EST)

As unpredictable as Roddy can be, let's assume he was like "omg I know it's not Rung! ... but I'd rather not be the first one to jump on that."--Kmc (talk) 10:30, 25 February 2017 (EST)

Yeah, seems like that scene ended a bit quickly for him to react - hopefully it will be covered next issue. --Emvee (talk) 12:29, 25 February 2017 (EST)

Or maybe Rung's an omnichanger lol. --Kmc (talk) 00:46, 26 February 2017 (EST)

Nominus

Correct me if i'm mistaken, but wasn't nominus alive when megatron was around in the normal universe?--Projectus (talk) 15:49, 28 February 2017 (EST)

He was. He died as a consequence of the Senate wanting to take more power in response to the rise of Decepticonism which obviously never happened in the Functionist timeline, so he died under different circumstances. - Chris McFeely (talk) 16:07, 28 February 2017 (EST)

Ah, i see. Then why is his death part of the error section of this page?--Projectus (talk) 00:30, 1 March 2017 (EST)

Didn't realize it was! - Chris McFeely (talk) 09:10, 1 March 2017 (EST)