Talk:Elita One (G1)
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So, Botcon 2009... early leaks showed her toy using the flawed Galaxy Force head sculpt rather than the corrected Hasbro one. Was this rectified on the actual release? --Detour 02:09, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
Pretty please?
[edit]There's a couple of pages I'd like to see become featured. This is one of them. Far as I can see, it's only lacking the following:
- A good intro, but *I* suck at writing those.
- Information on several voice actors and non-English names (her Chinese name is 艾丽塔, but heck if I know how to romanize or translate that)
- Whatever information might be in the scripts + that white area on her MC Axis box that I am guessing is a bio.
Not that much, I'd think, and little to prevent a FA status. Two other things I'd like adjusted are the Ariel image - possibly to become a composit of screenshots so her whole body can be shown, and the note about Diamond Toys' view on her altmode. Is it me, or did DS make up the back of Elita's altmode? The look doesn't match the details the cartoon gave her. Not that it's therefor less official, but right now the note makes it sound like DS had Elita's model sheets and carefully copied the altmode as seen on the bust from there, which I'm certain they didn't. Geewunling 15:50, 25 January 2010 (EST)
- The problem with writing a longer intro to Elita One's page is that all of her depictions are pretty different. Even the one we have now is very cartoon-heavy. It makes a little sense, as that's where she first showed up as she's a cartoon-originating character, but she's been in most G1 continuities by now, so her two-episode cartoon appearance is, by now, a really small fraction of her accumulated fiction. A new into can basically say only that she's a pink female robot without marginalizing most of her portrayals. --ItsWalky 16:05, 25 January 2010 (EST)
- Anyway, I gave it a try. It's not the most eloquent of intros, but, uh, I think it's mostly her fault. --ItsWalky 18:56, 25 January 2010 (EST)
- I thank you for the attempt (I know it is difficult (though the colour remark was very uncalled for))... but compared, I do like the old one better. If I recall correctly, we agreed about half a year ago in regards to the Omnibots not to go continuity-specific in the intro. Ah, well, I'll see later if I can unify your additions a little better. Geewunling 00:22, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Fine, it stays until I have looked at the intro again. That said, I am not fond of the situation: I have put a reasonable amount of work in this, and now it gets half-ruined with a closing line of sexism. Again, uncalled for. Geewunling 00:42, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Sexism? What? SHE IS ALWAYS PINK. The only reason that it's there is for structural symmetry. Open up with similarities, run through all her differences, and then close with another similarity. I'm not fucking making up her color scheme. Want me to take down all the screen captures and scans? Are they offensive? --ItsWalky 00:44, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Plus, threatening vandalism? Not a good idea. --M Sipher 00:49, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- (Now, I could bring actual sexism into the article by describing Elita One more accurately. A very Barbie-looking figurehead who presides only over her own gender. And I say "figurehead" because she goes to Alpha Trion to make all her big decisions for her. And she has a very powerful ability, but using it kills her, unless she can be saved by Optimus Prime's penis. She's not exactly a feminist portrayal. Being pink is the least of her problems.) --ItsWalky 00:50, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Oh, for heavens, I've been contributing to this wiki for long enough to think I am allowed an opinion. It's not threatening with vandalism, it's pointing out how... with all due sincere honest respect, ItsWalky, dumb that last line is. This wiki has a bit of an uncomfortable obsession with pointing out something is pink, usually in a mocking or derisive way, which, yeah, is a form of sexism. We never do that with other colours! Only pink gets any scorn, and you can't tell me that isn't for a reason, a certain association. But as I said, I don't wish to make a fuzz over it - I worked too hard for that. I'll look at the intro myself again later, and see how to better unify it. (P.S., ItsWalky, I can counter each one of your claims and point out the bias in there, but I rather not do here.) Geewunling 00:59, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- You are being FAR too overly sensitive. No mention is made of anything derogatory, and the colour comment is a simple joke. Like a million other ones, unobtrusive onliner. You might have an issue but no one else does. So...I think even if we approach it democratically, which this place never does, you're vastly out voted. She's pink. A bright shade of pink. Her one toy is glaringly pink. It's worth at least a one liner User:Eire 06.18 26 2010 (UTC)
- I shouldn't. I really shouldn't, but I ask again: do we note Bumblebee is yellow, Cliffjumper red, Ratchet white, Mirage blue, etc.? I'll concede we have terms as black repaint and yellow-kid appeal character, but should I compose a list of every time this wiki mentions the colour pink for no apparent reason or clear derogative ones? That's really all I am saying - that this obsession bothers me. If this was the only insistance, no sweat. I didn't mind the old captian "Dangerous in pink, isn't she?", I don't mind the toy section noting what the toy looks like, but this is different. As stated though, I am bowing to the demands of the many.Geewunling 01:32, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Portrayals of Cliffjumper are not so crazily disparate as to need color to unify them somehow. Cliffjumper is always an angry small dude, and so his intro doesn't go in five different directions like Elita's. And Elita is indeed very, very pink. She's light pink, pink, and dark pink. (Sometimes the light pink is silver, leaving a mere two shades of pink.) That's her color scheme. Considering it's the only thing that stays the same across her various portrayals, it may as well be her personality. --ItsWalky 02:10, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I'd say her having a funky helmet stays the same too. And that I'd find a fun way of ending the intro. Geewunling 03:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- But sometimes she doesn't. Sometimes it looks like Thunderblast's. --ItsWalky 03:05, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- In that case, since the MC Axis manga wasn't coloured... Geewunling 03:11, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- But sometimes she doesn't. Sometimes it looks like Thunderblast's. --ItsWalky 03:05, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I'd say her having a funky helmet stays the same too. And that I'd find a fun way of ending the intro. Geewunling 03:00, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Portrayals of Cliffjumper are not so crazily disparate as to need color to unify them somehow. Cliffjumper is always an angry small dude, and so his intro doesn't go in five different directions like Elita's. And Elita is indeed very, very pink. She's light pink, pink, and dark pink. (Sometimes the light pink is silver, leaving a mere two shades of pink.) That's her color scheme. Considering it's the only thing that stays the same across her various portrayals, it may as well be her personality. --ItsWalky 02:10, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I shouldn't. I really shouldn't, but I ask again: do we note Bumblebee is yellow, Cliffjumper red, Ratchet white, Mirage blue, etc.? I'll concede we have terms as black repaint and yellow-kid appeal character, but should I compose a list of every time this wiki mentions the colour pink for no apparent reason or clear derogative ones? That's really all I am saying - that this obsession bothers me. If this was the only insistance, no sweat. I didn't mind the old captian "Dangerous in pink, isn't she?", I don't mind the toy section noting what the toy looks like, but this is different. As stated though, I am bowing to the demands of the many.Geewunling 01:32, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- You are being FAR too overly sensitive. No mention is made of anything derogatory, and the colour comment is a simple joke. Like a million other ones, unobtrusive onliner. You might have an issue but no one else does. So...I think even if we approach it democratically, which this place never does, you're vastly out voted. She's pink. A bright shade of pink. Her one toy is glaringly pink. It's worth at least a one liner User:Eire 06.18 26 2010 (UTC)
- Oh, for heavens, I've been contributing to this wiki for long enough to think I am allowed an opinion. It's not threatening with vandalism, it's pointing out how... with all due sincere honest respect, ItsWalky, dumb that last line is. This wiki has a bit of an uncomfortable obsession with pointing out something is pink, usually in a mocking or derisive way, which, yeah, is a form of sexism. We never do that with other colours! Only pink gets any scorn, and you can't tell me that isn't for a reason, a certain association. But as I said, I don't wish to make a fuzz over it - I worked too hard for that. I'll look at the intro myself again later, and see how to better unify it. (P.S., ItsWalky, I can counter each one of your claims and point out the bias in there, but I rather not do here.) Geewunling 00:59, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Sexism? What? SHE IS ALWAYS PINK. The only reason that it's there is for structural symmetry. Open up with similarities, run through all her differences, and then close with another similarity. I'm not fucking making up her color scheme. Want me to take down all the screen captures and scans? Are they offensive? --ItsWalky 00:44, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Anyway, I gave it a try. It's not the most eloquent of intros, but, uh, I think it's mostly her fault. --ItsWalky 18:56, 25 January 2010 (EST)
- "(P.S., ItsWalky, I can counter each one of your claims and point out the bias in there, but I rather not do here.) Geewunling 00:59, 26 January 2010 (EST)"
- I take it you haven't watched "The Search for Alpha Trion". --FortMax 13:21, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- You know, not to sound like a hurt little being, but perhaps I asked to see this article featured in the first place because Elita One is one of my favourites. Perhaps I love the character she is and perhaps because of that I have heard all the arguments there are against her already, like also I have heard every piece of nonsense against Arcee, Rodimus Prime, Wheelie, human companions and other over-bombarded targets. I can counter (nearly) all of them (nearly, because I just want to enjoy the f-up piece of conversation the last two lines between OP and EO are and call him an asshole and her a retard, like about everyone in the cartoon) with ease. However, I do see no point in doing it here, since it won't be relevant to the article. Nor do I know if I want to give you the satisfaction of responding to what I can only assume to be your on purpose provocation. Geewunling 15:46, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I take it you haven't watched "The Search for Alpha Trion". --FortMax 13:21, 26 January 2010 (EST)
Look, I don't know if there's any validity to the claim that 'pink' is sexist. I think the easiest thing to do would be to just write up an alternative take on the intro in a sandbox. If you can come up with something better than what there is now, I'm sure no one will object to swapping it out. But ItsWalky's point about structure is a good one - starting and ending on similarities is just a pleasing arrangement of information.--Jimsorenson 13:27, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- In the arts/lit world, we call that "bookends". *turns off Rewind moment* --Lonegamer78 14:47, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Pink ain't sexist, pointing its presence out in certain cases is, which this wiki is kinda rife with (or was - I have taken action here and there). Anyway, I already conceded to leave it be until I can make something better for an intro. But... while I have your attention (hopefully), Js, I asked up above about the status of the note on DS's image of EO's altmode. Since you have been collecting model sheets, is it safe to assume DS made the mode up? Geewunling 15:46, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Send me a copy and I can let you know for sure.--Jimsorenson 16:55, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Took it off the internet quite some time ago. More I look at it, the more I am convinced it's not her altmode as per cartoon. Geewunling 01:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- Send me a copy and I can let you know for sure.--Jimsorenson 16:55, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- If you want to do something to address sexism on this wiki, how about changing the objectifying "Elita YUM" main image caption on this page? I'd consider that a worse offender than the line pointing out her pink-ness. --KilMichaelMcC 16:18, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Yeah, I almost brought that up a few times myself. It's always bothered me a little. (On the other hand, it's kinda an objectifying image of Elita One.) --ItsWalky 16:21, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Indeed, which is why the joke is fine with me. Rather than objectifying Elita, in my opinion, it takes a jab at the art depiction. *shrugs* Or at least, that's how I like to interpret it. (And besides, the objectifying jokes on the wiki I know off are spread out pretty evenly between the two genders, which makes it no point of complaint to me). Geewunling 16:25, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I would say it comes across less as taking a jab at the art and more as embracing and re-enforcing its objectifying nature. In fact, just using that image as the main pic on the page comes across as doing that, which maybe we should reconsider given that striking sexy-lady poses isn't exactly representative of the character? Why do we use this pic? --KilMichaelMcC 18:52, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I assume we use it because it's the most complete, on-model, and otherwise good picture available. Your point's a good one, though. In terms of personality, the picture really only conveys the fanboy objectification of the character. She is pink, she is designed to be objectified, and she's basically always been subject to sexist portrayals, but that's not quite the entirety of the character. If someone can suggest a more neutral picture, I'd be all for that.. Chip 20:23, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Chip's right. It's the only profileish image we have of her. There's no better choice. It's too bad the caption reinforces the presentation. At least it's very very good art. (Arcee's is, uh, also along these lines, but it's the same artist, so yeah.) --ItsWalky 20:53, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I think a screen cap would probably be a better choice, though I suppose that's too much against Wiki standards? Honestly, the best image of her of those found here in the article is the pic of the Diamond Select bust, but that would be even more against standards. --KilMichaelMcC 00:04, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- We'd want something with her legs in it, if that's possible, so yeah. And the art we have isn't bad. It's pretty damn good art! It's better than a lot of page's main art! It's just, uh, very, um, ass-loving. (In a fairly tasteful way, as cheesecake goes.) A screenshot would be a drastic step down in quality. --ItsWalky 00:16, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- And that's the situation. I'd love for us to have a more IC main image, but unfortunately none such exist in full (representative) body format.
- Also, ItsWalky, I want to apologize to you. In retrospect, I shouldn't have (re)acted the way I did. You took the effort to fulfill a request of mine and it got completely overshadowed by the above wildfire. I didn't mean it to come to all this. Know that I am grateful for what you did. Geewunling 01:43, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- We all have our things we believe strongly in. Mine is 89-cent tacos. --ItsWalky 11:22, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- I have no clue on the size of her image on the Dreamwave lithograph, but would that one perhaps be a good replacement for the current main image? Geewunling 04:50, 2 February 2010 (EST)
- We all have our things we believe strongly in. Mine is 89-cent tacos. --ItsWalky 11:22, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- We'd want something with her legs in it, if that's possible, so yeah. And the art we have isn't bad. It's pretty damn good art! It's better than a lot of page's main art! It's just, uh, very, um, ass-loving. (In a fairly tasteful way, as cheesecake goes.) A screenshot would be a drastic step down in quality. --ItsWalky 00:16, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- I think a screen cap would probably be a better choice, though I suppose that's too much against Wiki standards? Honestly, the best image of her of those found here in the article is the pic of the Diamond Select bust, but that would be even more against standards. --KilMichaelMcC 00:04, 27 January 2010 (EST)
- Chip's right. It's the only profileish image we have of her. There's no better choice. It's too bad the caption reinforces the presentation. At least it's very very good art. (Arcee's is, uh, also along these lines, but it's the same artist, so yeah.) --ItsWalky 20:53, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I assume we use it because it's the most complete, on-model, and otherwise good picture available. Your point's a good one, though. In terms of personality, the picture really only conveys the fanboy objectification of the character. She is pink, she is designed to be objectified, and she's basically always been subject to sexist portrayals, but that's not quite the entirety of the character. If someone can suggest a more neutral picture, I'd be all for that.. Chip 20:23, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- I would say it comes across less as taking a jab at the art and more as embracing and re-enforcing its objectifying nature. In fact, just using that image as the main pic on the page comes across as doing that, which maybe we should reconsider given that striking sexy-lady poses isn't exactly representative of the character? Why do we use this pic? --KilMichaelMcC 18:52, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Indeed, which is why the joke is fine with me. Rather than objectifying Elita, in my opinion, it takes a jab at the art depiction. *shrugs* Or at least, that's how I like to interpret it. (And besides, the objectifying jokes on the wiki I know off are spread out pretty evenly between the two genders, which makes it no point of complaint to me). Geewunling 16:25, 26 January 2010 (EST)
- Yeah, I almost brought that up a few times myself. It's always bothered me a little. (On the other hand, it's kinda an objectifying image of Elita One.) --ItsWalky 16:21, 26 January 2010 (EST)
Elita One (G1)
[edit]Shouldn't Elita One (G1) be the name of this article?71.255.170.124 14:09, 16 February 2012 (EST)
- No other version of the character uses this exact form (spelled out one, no hyphen), so it is considered unneccessary. --Khajidha 14:15, 16 February 2012 (EST)
- Ok now I get it. I didn't notice.71.162.106.201 18:07, 16 February 2012 (EST)
Should be called Elita One (G1)
[edit]Elita One (COP) shares the same spelling and spacing, so Elita One should be moved to Elita One (G1). -west james/notirishman (talk) 10:18, 15 October 2017 (EDT)
- Fixed. west james/notirishman (talk) 12:34, 30 October 2017 (EDT)
POTP Toy Color
[edit]So, Elita-1 almost never appears in fiction as red, with one of the very few exceptions being the MC Axis art, which happens to be the image at the top of this article. Yet the POTP toy of her, in a line which has generally been very faithful to original character designs, uses red coloration. Is there any argument to be made for including a note about the possibility that the toy is red because of this article's main image? (And, separately, should the main image perhaps be changed, given how the character is pink 90% of the time...? DuplexBeGreat (talk) 03:35, 9 July 2018 (EDT)
Elitas blasters
[edit]https://twitter.com/hoshihane_sui/status/1762635425766924614?t=ua2G4XWlHzQz-a87XHPyWw&s=19 The stock photography of sunstreaker and Wheeljack from that multipack apparently has Elitas blasters. Is this true for the actual products?Poliwag06 (talk) 23:05, 27 February 2024 (EST)