Talk:Guzzle (G1)

Last Stand of the Wreckers 5

Should his spiderish cybertronian mode be referenced, as seen in the profile in the back of LSOTW5? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 69.19.14.18 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

The Judge

I think The Judge should be noted on this page somewhere...but WHERE? --Nu-Priest 13:19, 3 September 2010 (EDT)

Overdetailed or underdetailed?

Am I the only one who thinks its ridiculous how long Guzzle's IDW history is compared to his Marvel one, where btoh had siginificant airtime. I'm inclined to think that ALL histories involving LSoTW (or roughly anything from Nicke Roche) are too dang detailed, analytical, with character insights altogether missing from histories of stories not by Roche. Is Guzzle's Marvel history too sparse or is the IDW History much too long. This could apply to any article detailing a characters adventures under Roche. I mean, just look at Outback, where Outback was a key, major character for one of the UK epics. He's justa dead body in the IDW stories, be it Ironhide or SL; Kup. So how on earth is his IDW bio longer than his Marvel one? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.17.235 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Because either A) LSotW contained a deeper story and more characterization than the simpler, older Marvel stories, or B) You spent your time here complaining rather than expanding the Marvel section with whatever you feel is missing. Take your pick. --76.28.76.206 10:14, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

The IDW section sh/could be shorter for certain and the Marvel section might be made longer... but I so, so hate it when people demand others to do work or complain about the current state of an article without intending to do something about it themselves. Also, sign your posts. Geewunling 10:24, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Eh, I am planning to expand the article. Just need to dig out my City of Fear trade. Also, not demanding. Just wanted to hear if people thought similarly about the current histories. It wouldn't cut me if the Marvel Bios stayed small. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.17.235 (talk • contribs){{#if:10:45, May 23, 2011 (EDT)| 10:45, May 23, 2011 (EDT)|}}. Also, I don't have an account here yet. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 218.186.17.235 (talk • contribs){{#if:10:46, May 23, 2011 (EDT)| 10:46, May 23, 2011 (EDT)|}}.

Some fiction write-ups being overlong and overdetailed is a common problem caused by writing the article as the fiction is being produced. It means it's written in fits and starts, with the writer doing a detailed summing up on one set of 22 pages, or one set of 22 minutes every week, and then just bundling the next set of 22 on the next month/week, with no forward thought as to how huge it will make the article in the future. Look, for instance, at just about any Animated character's cartoon write-up. They tend toward summing up *everything* a character does in *every* episode, even if it's just casually expressing an opinion about something. It just happens because it's new fiction. Comparatively, when one writes up a work of fiction that is already complete - like the G1 cartoon or Marvel comics, say, the approach is often to be a bit more general (although those often wind up very big too purely because of the size of the fiction involved!). - Chris McFeely 12:18, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Also, sections that were written when the wiki was younger may be shorter simply because our style has changed and expanded as time has gone by. Having people go back over old pages/old sections periodically is a good thing. --Khajidha 12:23, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Well, there's also the fact that more recent fiction tends to be a lot more character-driven than the comics of yesteryear, giving the characters a more fleshed-out presence to summarize on the wiki. --Detour 12:39, 23 May 2011 (EDT)

Well, Detour, I have to disagree. The old comics had alot of nice character development in them, and proabbly as much as the tales of today. Maybe not so much for the Sparkabots, but Guzzle and co' nonetheless played a major role during Magnus' adventures.

Chris McFeely, I think the places things are going, its fairly obvious Guzzle's time in IDW is more or less over. As over as his time in Marvel. Sad but true.

But noone has any problems if I go about expanding the Marvel Histories of some characters, right?

Everyone would be more than happy to see someone deal with neglected or semi-neglected article sections. However, don't make them longer than necessary just because you'd feel they need to compete with other sections (because really, Guzzle's IDW section is pretty horrendous in its details that go nowhere). Also, I had to clean up your Marvel edits quite a bit. In the future, check if links go where you want them to go and do not add more than one link per section (like, you had placed three links to Ultra Magnus's page in the Marvel section. That's overkill). Geewunling 00:45, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

...I really don't think Guzzle's IDW section here is an example of over-writing. He's got, what, five issues, a short story, and an profile to his name, versus the seven-or-so issues he appeared in Marvel? (Counting each half-length Marvel story as half an issue.) That's not really that crazy unbalanced, no, especially given how much more happens to Guzzle in IDW. His adventures in Marvel were not nearly as character-driven. --ItsWalky 00:49, 24 May 2011 (EDT)

Look at the part detailing issue 1 of LSoW. Those last three lines are overly detailed and not necessary. "Appeared concerned" would be a noteworthy detail if he hardly ever showed a nice face, but that's not the case. It's not so much as that there is too much as that it's written in detail that goes nowhere. And... I really dislike how the section looks, what with all those mini-paragraphs. Surely Guzzle's appearances are consistent enough that they can be fused into bigger paragraphs that make the section look more appealing to read? Geewunling 00:56, 24 May 2011 (EDT)