Talk:Hasbro Q&A/September 2010: Answers

So, does this and this mean they're clearing out the singularity cruft? Fallen (Prime), Unicron (Prime), etc ahoy? - Mammalian Verisimilitude 15:42, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Unfortunately it appears so. (I say this because 1. I liked the concept and 2. I won't get to see pics of Starfield eating his hat now) ---Blackout- 15:47, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

LOL! - Starfield 15:52, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

I wonder if sometimes Hasbro just wants to say, "Just buy the (expletive) merchandise!"? Retconning can be tough sometimes. - Zadok Rox 15:53, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

It doesn't appear so to me, at all, and I am frankly semi-baffled that so many other people are reading it that way. --KilMichaelMcC 15:54, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

If so many people are reading it one way, maybe it's because it's the natural way to read it, and trying to read it otherwise is akin to arguing that "was under the impression" means "had been impressed upon" rather than "believed"? - Mammalian Verisimilitude 16:07, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

I think this is a revision of canon. WFC/Exodus/Prime is the result of the G1, RiD, UT and Animated universal clusters collapsing together to become one universe. The films are the exception of course, as stated by Archer in that TFW2005 WFC interview. They said there is only 1 Fallen, which is to imply the G1 one is non-canon, because Dreamwave of course no longer in business. We've all noticed Hasbro was very lax on what constituted a separate character than our criteria. This is perhaps the clincher. The multiverse in Hasbro's view only consists of the Prime and live-action film series continuities: everything else is only a memory.

Regarding splitting Unicron and Primus, I reckon there won't be a need to, since they're gods, and Vector Prime likewise because whether one likes multiversal singularities or not because he is a dimension hopper. The Fallen is blatant there: there is only one Fallen. Alpha, well, seems he's stuck in the one expanding and crunching universe. Alientraveller 15:55, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Surely there are now (at least) two Fallens based on the Allspark answer - a "modern continuity" one going forward, and another one with no relevance to the "modern continuity" from the DW comics, ja? (the movie one may or may not be the DW one) - Mammalian Verisimilitude 16:07, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Unsure, but if Prime is a separate multiverse from everything else in the omniverse, then it's maddening because we've waited years to learn about the 13, but now without guarantee it's the exact same backstory of the ones we've encountered before. I'd really prefer common sense here: the 13 rarely appear in fiction and I'd prefer articles for the one character (from a conventional perspective) to be together, just as the diverse G1 incarnations are all discussed in the same page. If it were up to me, articles would be "Optimus Prime/G1", "Optimus Prime/Movie" because this is clearly how Hasbro would do it, and only really off-the-wall ones like SG Optimus would be bracketed. I still feel Alpha Trion should an article for all the non-evil ones, I mean how useless are these pages? Alientraveller 16:25, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Believe it or not, I actually predicted this entire retconning from part of Hasbro when the entire "Logos Prime may not be a Prime afterall" thing, happened. However, this explanation is not consistent with the answer they gave us about the Fallen some time ago. So this marks the date, when Transformers continuity as a whole was ruined forever by Hasbro (G1 was ruined forever by Beast Machines, but we still had some other universes). Sometimes the thruth may be more terrifying to know than not knowing anything at all. Oh, and the Power Core Combiners question was better than that about Unicron's missiles.- ACIDSTORM92 16:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

My take on this is that what we were told before remains in effect for the previous universes. The new "aligned continuity" is a separate thing from all prior TF fiction. Thus, while the Fallen from the aligned continuity may not be the same as the Fallen from before the G1 Fallen remains the same as the Movie-verse Fallen. Just my two cents (worth about 0.03 cents due to inflation). --Khajidha 18:10, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

My god. Someone who GETS it! --M Sipher 23:15, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

So we leave Primus and Unicron the same, continue to never give a shit about the majority of the 13 who had never been named or appeared in anything, and stop having to tie our brains into knots over Alpha Trion and the Fallen. I don't see a problem with this at all. --Thylacine 2000 20:49, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

I've got to agree with KilMichaelC - the only way I can think to read this is "for the Prime series, we're going to say there's only one of (Alpha Trion/Megatronus Prime), and we haven't defined the 13 for this series and might not explicitly mention the concept, just like in most of the other continuities". I can't see how this could possibly be read to say that there are multiples of the Thirteen in the multiverse, and I can't even wrap my mind around the concept in the first place.68.58.50.173 21:02, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

And I can't see any possible way their answers can be read other than "past information may not necessarily be true anymore, we don't care about multiversal singularities and you shouldn't either." They're never going to talk about it again. --Thylacine 2000 21:13, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Exactly. They are ignoring the concept for now (or for the entire series), just like they did with everything before the Unicron trilogy, and most things after it.67.163.2.212 22:50, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Let's just forget about the thirteen for a while, they weren't that important for the franchise since just about 3 or 4 (if you want to get technical) were somewhat vital to the plot. And judging Exodus, THERE ARE A LOT OF PLOT HOLES in that continuity already, so nothing that Hasbro says at the momment can be taken as the thruth. Slag, they said the Fallen forgot his name but somehow Megatron named himself after him. Right.ACIDSTORM92 23:40, 1 November 2010 (EDT)

Just because The Fallen forgot his name doesn't mean that the rest of Cybertron doesn't remember. There's a story from Greece or Rome, I forget which, about a dude who was so awful that simply speaking his name was punishable by death - the goal was to get everyone to forget who he was, because he sucked so bad. What actually happened is that EVERYONE remembered the dude, because you had to make sure you knew what that word was so you could kill anyone caught saying it. -hx 06:40, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

That's not so much one guy. Damnatio memoriae through time has been a popular punishment for whomever the current elite didn't like. Geewunling 07:02, 2 November 2010 (EDT)

OK.. but then...

Sooo... Hasbro "took" Nexus Prime/Maximus away from Fun Pub. preventing the conclusion of his storyline because they were gonna use him in their 13 stuff. But NOW they say their 13 stuff (and all the modern stuff) is only applicable going forward and is no way connected to previous universes... like Fun Pub's stuff.... so why can't they use their Nexus Prime and finish his story if he's a different character in a different multiverse, not in any way connected to the one Hasbro's gonna use... Oly his being a Multiversal Singularity made that move make sense... --99.97.26.157 08:31, 2 November 2010 (EDT)