Talk:Metroplex (SG)

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if the logic behind the reverts is ironclad first body only, then why isn't the Fallen using the Dreamwave body? Or Movie Hound? The obnoxious close up in the gag strip is absolutely outweighed by the IDW appearances, like other pages have done. And the Flamewar argument was decided because her original body had actual substantial roles in fiction, the same thing cannot be at all said for Metro here. McBaggins (talk) 20:46, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

His appearance in IDW's stuff has him being an offline robot that's only brought online to be a servant; more substantial of an appearance, perhaps, but just about as substantial as the gag strip appearance. In any case, I don't disagree that the mainpic rule is largely arbitrary, but I remember specifically at the time that it was argued on Flamewar's page that IDW comics were different from the likes of animation and film and that they weren't more substantial, and that was ultimately the winning choice. Escargon (talk) 20:52, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

Brought online as a servant yes, but the act is framed as essentially the central figure the present day material of the miniseries is built around. Not on the same level as the gag strip at all. McBaggins (talk) 21:13, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

I agree with Jenny, personally, but don't have a great argument beyond what she's said. I think it's almost certain we'll have full-body Metrotitan-coloured panels galore in the next miniseries, which will make the first-body rule more specious in this case. It just feels odd to give precedence to this new colour scheme over the original one. --The Wadapan (talk) 23:36, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

Also...it is just straight up Guido Guidi drawing a G1 Metroplex and it being colored as Metrotitan. Which we have main pics for on Metrotitan's page. We don't have one now of the unique original colors for SG Metroplex. Escargon (talk) 19:33, 6 June 2022 (EDT)

Seconded. Aligned Hot Shot and Bayverse Onslaught also don't use the first body rule. IMO it's a guideline, not a hard rule. Iacon0 (talk) 20:55, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

I'm personally in favor of IDW solely on the fact that the close-up (which is the only "first body" image available) makes for a TERRIBLE mainpic. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 21:32, 5 June 2022 (EDT)

I'm fine with keeping the page as is until August, but this seems like a case of one of those "some fiction is more equal than others" scenarios in the making, and in this instance I'd be willing to use a picture from the series that gives him top billing versus the one page punchline from the gag strip. Like... depending on what happens in SGII, it's very likely that we'll have to rewrite the intro paragraph to reflect his personality, right? It'd be a bit misleading to pair that with a main image that's not even from the same series. Grum (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

The reason that the likes of The Fallen and AOE Hound are exceptions to the "first body" rule is because those are the first bodies they had in multi-million-dollar blockbuster feature films that pushed those forms of theirs into massively mainstream prominence across the globe. By contrast, the IDW SG comics haven't really been all that prominent. Just a short mini-series that's getting an expansion only just as the publisher is about to lose the license. While SD SG is nothing major either, I really wouldn't call IDW's SG series any kind of a big deal, either. Both are pretty lowkey and fairly obscure. Granted, IDW SG is arguably more known than SD SG, but if the next publisher doesn't continue it after IDW's final issue, it will have come and gone just like every short-lived Transformers comic series that didn't make much of a mark on the brand.

In other words, I don't feel that either of SG Metroplex's depictions in SD SG or IDW SG are really that big of a deal for one to be deemed more prominent than the other (especially since the entirety of IDW SG Metroplex's appearances have been as lifeless scenery more than anything), to the point that I honestly don't feel that he currently qualifies as a notable exception to the "first body" rule like such major movie stars as The Fallen and Hound. --Sabrblade (talk) 00:25, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

Basically, this. --M Sipher (talk) 03:33, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

And with admin weigh-in, I feel more comfortable reverting it to the SD SG pic. Escargon (talk) 09:18, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

Rude. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 12:36, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

For the record I didn't actually see your name until you just pointed it out just now, I just saw Sipher's addition on the recent changes page. Escargon (talk) 13:35, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

For the record, I don't actually care which image is used and think this has gotten ridiculous. Neither image is good, neither appearance is currently "more notable", and neither is worth this much arglebargle. --M Sipher (talk) 06:11, 8 June 2022 (EDT)

I'm in agreement with the comments here that the SD SG image, while it represents his first appearance and is great artwork, does not make for a good main image. We should not stick with a main pic just because it's the only art of their first appearance if there are better alternatives in terms of what we look for in a main pic. --abates (talk) 16:38, 7 June 2022 (EDT)

I also feel I should point out that the main difference between the SD and IDW looks is the colour scheme, and otherwise both looks are just G1 Metroplex in different art styles. It's not a wildly different design. --abates (talk) 16:55, 7 June 2022 (EDT)