Talk:Nemesis (Movie)

Since I don't have Defiance issue 4 yet, is this ship from The Reign of Starscream the same ship seen in Defiance 4? --FFN 13:03, 9 April 2009 (EDT)

Well, technically Soundwave's ship would go to Nemesis (ROTF). Reign never actually names Starscream's ship, it's only in Ghosts of Yesterday it's given that name. Alientraveller 08:04, 12 April 2009 (EDT)

So that's a "no", they aren't the same ship? I haven't read it either, but from the synopsis of Defiance 4 it looks like that ship was last seen abandoned in deep space, so Starscream probably used a different ship to go after the AllSpark. But what ship? The Autobots had to fix up a derelict. The Decepticons just had another interstellar ship ready to go? - Starfield 14:08, 13 April 2009 (EDT)

It's the same ship judging by the art. The Decpticons built the ship in Defiance 4 from scratch. I don't think they would have done that if they had another identical ship ready to go. - Starfield 23:19, 27 April 2009 (EDT)

Shouldn't Wreckage be part of the crew? He arrived on Earth with the other Decepticons and was promptly shot and killed/captured by Sector 7, so he had to have been among the crew. 68.61.240.172 09:12, 27 May 2009 (EDT)

Starfield, Milne informed me that Khanna and Griffith recycled the design of his Decepticon warship from The Reign of Starscream, and that his design was never meant to be the Nemesis anyway (Walky and co decided it was the Nemesis because the IDW never named it and it served the same function as the Nemesis in Ghosts of Yesterday). Either way, there are supposed to be TWO Nemesises. Frankly, it doesn't look like you even bothered to read the freaking Defiance comic. For God's sake. --FFN 10:15, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

I do have Defiance 4 now. In ROTF adaptation 2, Starscream's ship—where he has his base, and is crashed on Mars—is called Nemesis and has the relic on board. - Starfield 10:37, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

EDIT: It's taken me 2 hours to post this since the site was down.

The timeline doesn't seem to add up. The Nemesis (ROTF) leaves Cybertron ages in the past. Megatron encounters it on another planet (perhaps Mars of the past, I don't know) some several thousand years ago. Meanwhile, at the same time, Starscream's crew launches an identical (in all but colour), unnamed ship shortly after Megatron leaves, but it is disabled by the Ark and is forced to limp back to Cybertron for repairs. Quite some time later, they arrive on Mars in 2003, well after Megatron encountered the abandoned Nemesis from Defiance. Starscream's ship later goes back to Cybertron and is subsequently destroyed during Dreadwing's coup (most of it falling on Trypticon, some making it Mars' space bridge). Now, something doesn't add up here. --FFN 12:26, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

You might be right, but it is just so crazy similar. The scene in ROTF #2 is Starscream camping out in a large hulk of a crashed ship on a planet reasonably close to Earth. (It isn't called Mars in ROTF #2, but it has a red sky, a sun and two moons.) Isn't that how we left Starscream in ROS? My thinking was that Cybertron also received the distress call, and Starscream sent someone out to retrieve the Nemesis so they could use it. I don't know how that works for ROS, but that fits in Defiance 4.

But I suppose it makes some sense that the Nemesis would also coincidentally crash reasonably close to Earth because it was looking for a harvester, but it gives no hint of that in Defiance. It seems that the Nemesis wasn't too far from Cybertron.

I also suppose Starscream could have moved his base to that ship instead of his ship for whatever reason. - Starfield 15:40, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Here's the scene. Is the scene similar to ROS or what?- Starfield 16:31, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Unless the artist for Revenge of the Fallen's comic and IDW in general are following Michael Bay's ignorance of Mars, Mars doesn't have a sky like that. Mars has two tiny captured, irregularly shaped potato-like moons, and the sun doesn't appear in Mars' sky anywhere near as large as on Earth. So I think it's fairly reasonable to assume this planet is not Mars. --FFN 16:34, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

Starscream is there. Can he travel between star systems? How much time is occurring between issues if Megatron and Starscream are traveling back and forth to other systems? Maybe it's a moon of Jupiter or something. I thought reading the movie adaptation would make things make more sense, not less. - Starfield 16:46, 2 June 2009 (EDT)

I say we wait for the movie to hopefully explain all this. --FFN 06:25, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

The Decepticon's ship is not called NEMESIS. Instead it has no name and is whatever you want to call it.{{#if:|{{{quote2}}}}}{{#if:The Reign of Starscream TPB bonus material.|The Reign of Starscream TPB bonus material.{{#if:|, {{{3}}}|}}|}}

Which is it, "it has no name" or it "is whatever you want to call it"? Does that mean if the wiki wanted to call the ship The Scurvy Dog, that would be its canonical name? - Starfield 20:43, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

I suspect the intended sentiment is more like, "Whatever makes your Personal Canon happy." --Jeysie 20:51, 15 June 2009 (EDT)

Defiance didn't help by cribbing this design for the actual Nemesis. God, what a mess that series was. --FFN 02:12, 16 June 2009 (EDT)

ROTF Nemesis was also wrecked on Mars<ref>ROTF DVD bonus material.</ref>. Coincidence? A case of life imitating Starfield's fanon? - Starfield 13:39, 22 October 2009 (EDT) <references/>

Goddammit. That doesn't even make sense. Don't tell me they saw Defiance and The Reign of Starscream and got confused. --FFN 13:49, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

It makes a certain amount of sense. More sense than anything else IMO, if the comics are really in continuity with the film. There really isn't room in the comic story for the ROTF Nemesis to just come out of nowhere with a protoform Decepticon army. If they are both the same ship, there is just a little fudging of facts around the edges. - Starfield 14:01, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

No, it doesn't make any sense for all the reasons I posted months ago. One ship was launched years and years ago carrying The Fallen, Soundwave a large crew of Decepticons, and then crash-landed somewhere that was not Mars. Then Starscream's crew launch a different ship later that was later totally blown up, half on Cybertron and half on Mars. That means there are simply two ships with the same design, and the DVD people fucked up. --FFN 14:15, 22 October 2009 (EDT)

So where did Starscream get his ship, did he pull it out of his exhaust port? The Decepticons had to built the ROTF Nemesis in order to leave Cybertron. What is the the bigger retcon, a whole new ship that wasn't there before, or that Starscream somehow retrieved Soundwave's ship, patched it up, and flew it to Mars, where it wasn't entirely blown up and half of it didn't land on Cybertron. - Starfield 14:34, 22 October 2009 (EDT)