Talk:New Recruit

Explanation

I think Smokescreen may have slowly deactivated the phase shifter as he kicked though the Apex Armor. That is, assuming it works that way, which we don't know --75.82.9.197 14:08, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

The operative words being "we don't know." -- spyder 14:22, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

We don't know how the Phase Shifter is designed to work. Therefore, I do not think we can call what happened on screen a "continuity error." What happened on screen is just how the Phase Shifter operates. If you want a theory: the phase shifter attaches to a Transformer's wrist and phases out all "Transformer matter" in continuous contact with it. So Smokescreen phased through the Apex Armor and came in contact with Starscream forming a continuous link of "Transformer matter" which phased both Smokescreen and Starscream all the way through the Apex Armor. - Starfield 16:30, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

For the record, as of "Inside Job" it is obvious my theory doesn't work. It doesn't appear to work in any kind of predictable manner. - Starfield 14:08, 14 October 2012 (EDT)

Or it could be like most other cases of phasing through objects in television, where the person doing the phasing can control which objects are passed through and can take other people through objects with them. So Smokescreen passes through the Apex Armor, comes into contact with Starscream and transfers some intangibility to him, and both come out the other side of the Apex Armor. Having control over the phasing also explains why Smokescreen doesn't just fall into the ground while intangible.--Megabob452 21:51, 8 September 2012 (EDT)

That is just a theory and we don't put theories here about why something could not be a animation/technical/continuity error. Speaking of which, why did we take it out of the continuity errors section? We only know what Arcee told us about what the Phase Shifter does and how it was used in this episode doesn't fit the definition Arcee gave us. We should leave it as an error until we know more about it like we did with with Agent Fowler and him not wearing a flight suit while in his jet until we got an explanation for it in "Grill".--LordTacos 3:17 PM, 12 September 2012 (EST)

What did Arcee say? - Starfield 17:42, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

It was something along the lines of, "it's handy when you need to pass through solid objects, or vice versa." There was nothing said about the phasing being selective in what it can or can't phase through.--LordTacos 6:42 PM, 12 September 2012 (EST)

If that is what she said, that does not explain how it works. All we know is that you can use it to pass through solid objects. Since we don't know how it works, we can't assume what we see on screen is an error. We now know an Autobot can use the technology of the phase shifter to pass through apex armor and dislodge the Decepticon hiding inside, because that is what happened. - Starfield 19:02, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Hmm... I guess that makes sense.--LordTacos 7:10 PM, 12 September 2012 (EST)

Starscream

Can Starscream transform again?

Anonymous--173.57.44.147 00:27, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

I dont think.

"Earth-mode kibble"

I apologize if I'm talking out of turn, but... is there a reason that editors keep bringing up the fact that characters already have the right body form for their future Earth modes? It's not as if this was a new thing invented by Prime... that's how it was from day 2. Magaroja 21:57, 9 September 2012 (EDT)

That doesn't change the fact that it's clearly an error.192.249.47.177 13:26, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

In this case it's kind of strange, because Smokescreen changes his paint job and sigils after getting his Earth vehicle mode, unlike all the other Prime characters so far. Tom Servo the Great 17:49, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

It's not that strange. Smokescreen is the only guy who has Earth writing on his altmode. It's not like Bumblebee has a "38" on his wings to not have earlier. --ItsWalky 19:00, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

How do you know it's an error, IP guy? In the G1 cartoon, pre-Earth characters went from alien vehicles to Earth-mode robot modes, via different transformation schemes. Nothing in Prime so far has proved they don't do that as well. Zandergb 23:03, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Continuity errors/phase shifter

I believe that Ratchet told Smokescreen to use the phase shifter instead of the energon extractor. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 20:42, 13 September 2012 (EDT)

1: Smokescreen went to the phase shifter before Ratchet found him. 2: By energon extractor, do you mean the thing that EXPLODED at the end of the episode it was introduced in? Zandergb 01:54, 14 September 2012 (EDT)

I guess I didn't remember that. But I was trying to understand the questioning of Smokescreen's motivation. It could just be a convenience that he picked the phase shifter. He also could have been told things off-screen, but then I'm probably forgetting something else I could be corrected on. -- Anythingspossibleforapossible 09:36, 15 September 2012 (EDT)