Talk:Odd Ball

Okay, the whole GoBots policy discussion confused me in general, so I stay out of it, but can someone explain why this character shouldn't have an article? I mean, it says he's a Mini-Con from the Aurex Cluster. That makes him a Transformer, doesn't it? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 12:01, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

The policy is no GoBots original characters who only appear in Facebook fiction, regardless of how often they interact with Transformers. --Giggidy (talk) 12:03, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

I don't understand, if he's been made into an Aurex Mini-Con, he doesn't interact with Transformers, he is a Transformer. How can there be a policy that excludes what is now an actual TF? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 12:08, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

I didn't say I agreed with it. Just that's what the senior editors seem to insist upon. --Giggidy (talk) 12:10, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Pretty sure the ones that are explicitly established as Transformers (even if WE know they come from GoBot toys) are allowed to stay.--Charles RB (talk) 18:24, 20 May 2016 (GMT)

Kil, if it helps, the policy is largely directed against Renegade Rhetoric, the fiction, not against individual Renegades, the characters. Renegade Rhetoric is treated as non-Transformers fiction when it focuses on the GoBots as the primary characters. So not including Oddball's appearance in RR is like not including Optimus Prime's appearance on Family Guy -- of course he's a Transformer, but it's not Transformers fiction he's appearing in. Also, once the Renegade List goes live, Oddball's existence will be documented on the Wiki. --Xaaron (talk) 13:29, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

....documented in a list of non-Transformers? When this version of the character is a Transformer? And I can't possibly see how Family Guy can be equated to the product of an official licensee? Man, this is why I stay out of GoBots policy discussion, because I'm pretty sure I understand it even less now. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 13:35, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Look, to make a long story short, some editors didn't like GoBots being covered on the wiki, and so declared the Fun Publications produced Hasbro-licensed Transformers: Renegade Rhetoric to be not Transformers fiction. Then, when Echoes and Fragments was published and everyone had to concede that it did count as Transformers fiction, they decided that it was ok to simply not cover GoBots that appeared in Facebook period. That's the deal. --Giggidy (talk) 14:38, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Giggidy, maybe it'd be better for you to step back from GoBots-related discussions, as it's clear that your feelings on the matter are fairly strong and possibly getting in the way of your judgement. --Riptide (talk) 15:03, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

I don't think anyone has followed it as closely as I have. If there's something factually wrong about what I said, I'd love for you to point it out to me. I believe it was a fair and concise summary of the decision-making process, stated simply without any name-calling. Unlike, say, "Who said Odd Ball was a MiniCon? Was it in the de-credentialed bullshit source we are purging?". If you don't like me saying "the emperor is wearing no clothes" maybe your real problem isn't with me at all. --Giggidy (talk) 15:08, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Believe it or not, I think that Thy is also too emotional about the matter, and should step off as well. But I don't think you popping your head into every GoBots-related discussion to be passive-aggressive about the ruling on GoBots is making anyone much happier or sympathetic to your cause. We get it. You don't like it. Move on. --Riptide (talk) 15:14, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

I have. I helped with the Renegade and Guardian articles. But Kil was asking a very reasonable question and deserved an answer. So I gave him a factually accurate one. And, believe it or not, tried to keep it unemotional and stick to the facts. You yourself seem pretty emotional about this matter. Maybe, and I don't mean this in a passive aggressive way, you need a break from the subject. --Giggidy (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

Yes, Giggidy, the problem is with you. You are the problem. You were told this, "to your face", by the owner and administrator of this Wiki as this very policy was being enacted, and yet you still refuse to back off. You continue to start discussions about this policy and inject your opinion into discussions about this policy day after day after day. Looking at your contributions since the policy was announced, I can say with minimal hyperbole that this is literally all that you do here. By making yourself the self-declared spokesman for a policy you admit you do not understand and fought tooth-and-nail to oppose until an Act of God* ended the discussion, you're keeping everyone on edge. Like an open, exposed nerve, you are preventing the Wiki from moving past all the GoBots troubles by constantly revisiting them. And seeing how little else you're actually contributing to this place, I have to wonder why you're even still here, other than to be trouble. --Xaaron (talk) 15:27, 20 May 2016 (EDT)

I disagree. I didn't start this discussion. And I've been civil and stuck the the facts the whole time. There's still much confusion about this topic. That's evident from the current discussion on the AllSpark, which I've never contributed to and don't even have an account for. If I'm the cause, then why is there a heated discussion brewing over there? I'm actively trying to help, removed a bunch of pages, and just want to maintain the quality of the parts of the site I'm interested in. --Giggidy (talk) 15:34, 20 May 2016 (EDT)