Talk:One Shall Rise, Part 3

As with the previous one, is it worth saying that this episode was shown today in Singapore? daughter-of-Myou 12:26, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

Yes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.51.184.13 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Should It be mentioned that this is the first time an autobot says soundwave's name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.117.9.216 (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

I don't think someone saying someone else's name is particularly notable, unless it's a continuity error or something. --abates 18:20, 10 October 2011 (EDT)

It's just he's never been referred or even mentioned by the autobots at all. I thought it was kind of interesting.

Raf calls Soundwave by name in "Deus ex Machina", so I think it's safe to say the Autobots told the kids about him. --abates 21:50, 10 October 2011 (EDT)

Still the autobots never directly mention him at all. Just kind of interesting since every other con's (not counting vehicons) name has been said by the autobots on screen. Just something interesting to point out.

Since sections such as the trivia have been added to already, some points giving spoilers, would anyone like me to write up a synopsis for the episode? daughter-of-Myou 05:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT)

When Optimus Prime opened the Matrix of Leadership, it looks as though it contains/contained a crystal shard of some kind. Should this be mentioned here? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Ultra Magnotron (talk • contribs){{#if:| {{{2}}}|}}.

Should it be mentioned that Megatronus has red armor in place of purple in the flashhbacks? TFfan1 8:02 October 15 2011 (EDT)

I think that may be a result of the "lighting" of the flashbacks, but it's kinda hard to tell.--Roni134730 00:00, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

Should it be in mentioned in the notes that when the earthquake starts and Rachet moves to protect the humans that June and Fowler are behind the computer, but when the earthquake stops June and Fowler are beside the children?

Time elapsed between the shots; who's to say they didn't immediately run to the cover Ratchet provided just as the scene switched? -- Boy Blunderous 16:05, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

That does make sense. Thanks. I watched the episode again and saw that`s what could have happened.

Two things:

1. The "continuity errors" list a contradiction in the fiction (ha ha) when Ratchet states the Exodus story wherein Optimus and Megatron split before the war, where "Darkness Rising" states that they fought alongside each other for a time before the schism. Could "Darkness Rising" not have meant that they were fighting a war of words against oppression together, rather than fighting an actual war with weapons?
2. Whoever inserted the Prince of Egypt caption: You are awesome. - ¡Usa El Queso! ^{Complain here} 00:43, 23 October 2011 (EDT)

I agree that Ratchet's memory might not be faulty/there is a continuity error here. Megatron could of been participating in false flag terror against the High Council. In fact according to Ratchet, Megatron's solution was violence, but Orion Pax's was peace. I think it is stipulated somewhere in the novels or War for Cybertron that Megatron was playing both sides of the fence for his own ambition. So Ratchet was right. When they spoke before the High Council, Megatron and Optimus were allies against an insurgent threat created by Megatron to secure power. The Council either saw through Megatron's plans or were truly inspired by Orion Pax to deem Orion worthy of being the next Prime. [1]

Disasters

"All of the natural disasters around the world abruptly stop when Unicron is beaten. While it might make sense for the earthquakes to stop, tidal waves wouldn't just suddenly fall apart. Forward momentum doesn't just vanish. Similar problems occur with the tornadoes dissipating and the sky clearing."

I think the implication was pretty clear that the tornadoes and tidal waves were generated by Unicron, just like the rock titans. I mean, if he's creating the momentum itself to move them, it would make some sense that without that momentum, they just collapse.70.34.147.3 01:28, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Momentum does not work that way. —Interrobang 01:51, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Momentum, right. Which is my point--Unicron is generating the momentum. It's not like he was using magnetism or gravity to hold the rock titans together, he was generating all of the motion with his being.70.34.147.3 01:55, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Momentum is not something you constantly generate unless you want things to go faster. Things in motion stay in motion unless an external force acts on it (and the natural resistance in those events is not enough to dissipate the disasters that quickly). Please go back to physics class. —Interrobang 02:50, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Yes, please learn what momentum is. --ItsWalky 03:36, 13 November 2011 (EST)

I'm saying that Unicron isn't just creating a simple force that operates on the rocks and the wind and the water. It's very clear that he's using a supernatural power that would be very unlikely to require conservation of momentum. Honestly, with the powers we've seen him have, he could even be teleporting all the particles around, so they don't have any inherent momentum at all. As soon as his power was extinguished, the water, rocks, and wind lost what he had put into them. If the natural disasters were meant to be just natural results of Unicron physically stretching, then I stand corrected, but they seemed to pretty clearly be supernatural, and thus it would make perfect sense that as soon as the the source of their momentum disappeared, they would quickly collapse under gravity and friction. If anything, the earthquakes would be the least likely to stop abruptly, as they are explicitly said to be a natural reaction to Unicron moving around.

Even if you don't agree with my interpretation of how Unicron was operating (which I admit requires him to be ignoring standard physics), the storms were clearly freak occurrences that did not have the normal telegraphs--so it's unlikely that they were anything more than superficial, and there was clearly some influence from Unicron on keeping them going. Even if that's merely maintaining a temperature differential in the immediate locale of the tornado, or moving a wave of water, it's unlikely that he was controlling the conditions all the way to their normal genesis; for example, the entire heft of the ocean was not behind the tsunami. The implication is clearly that he was generating the tornadoes and the tsunami consciously, or their collapse upon his defeat would not make any sense physically or narratively; so even just on the basis of basic physics, the tornado would evaporate as quickly as a spent tornado would, the sky would clear up as it usually does at the end of a storm, and the tsunami (which was probably just a twenty foot wall of water without the full weight of the ocean behind it) would just fall over, getting the beaches a little wet. I don't think the wave falling over and the tornado evaporating should really be considered a technical error.

Also, I'm not edit warring, and I've not criticized either of you at all. Please don't attack me.70.34.147.3 04:18, 13 November 2011 (EST)

I'd hate to sound like I'm ganging up on you, but what you are thinking about is force. Explanation: Unicron exerted force on the world to create the earthquakes, tornadoes, etc. Once Unicron was beaten, he was no longer was exerting force on those things. However, the tidal waves and earthquakes still have momentum, which is a physical property of objects by themselves. The objects suddenly stopping without anything else acting on them would violate the principle of the conservation of momentum. The only way the objects would stop immediately would be if they collided another object with the exact same momentum, only negative (in the opposite direction). Therefore, the tornadoes and tidal waves would continue moving with their momentum without Unicron present. (Yeesh, I like physics too much.) --AutoUIMagnus299 03:56, 13 November 2011 (EST)

No, I understand the difference, and it's not like I believe this would work in the real world; I just don't think he was actually exerting a force--I think it was basically telekinesis. Or even if he was exerting a force, it doesn't seem like it would be more than the bare minimum to spin the air or move that water. The thing that makes a tsunami so devastating is that it's not just the twenty foot wall of water, it's that more water is coming, that the ocean is behind it. I mean, if the options are "Unicron is using magic to mock up a tidal wave" or "the writers think that tidal waves fall over as soon as the earthquake stops"...it seems more logical to go with magic. I mean, hell, it seems like it would be more in the tone of the wiki to snark that Unicron can violate basic physics, anyway.

Merg. It's your guys's wiki, if you really think my interpretation is waterless, then I'll leave you alone.70.34.147.3 04:18, 13 November 2011 (EST)

Shockwave

Out of the Past claims that Shockwave showed up in this episode, but he isn't mentioned on the page. I personally don't recall seeing him, can someone clear this up?192.249.47.177 13:30, 11 September 2012 (EDT)

That page mentions Soundwave in relation to this episode, not Shockwave. --abates 04:47, 12 September 2012 (EDT)

Doh!72.12.219.170 20:22, 16 September 2012 (EDT)

Bulkhead

Isn't it possible Bulkhead is the only one affected by the Dark Energon because he's the only one who hasn't had prior contact with it? Optimus, Arcee, and Bumblebee (and Ratchet) have all had direct contact with the stuff, while the closest Bulkhead's gotten is when he fought Megatron back in One Shall Rise, Pt. 1. --98.236.35.25 11:17, 13 September 2012 (EDT)