Talk:Pseudocanon

It's a decent example though I have two small questions about it: 1) Should it be mentioned that many fans take Primal's "All is as it should be." line to "of course" mean they replaced Megs's spark, or would that just be muddling things? and 2) How does the inclusion of that clip on the Rhino DVD effect its canonosity? That was an official release of the story and the clip of the spark being returned was included so IS it now canon in the same was corrected dialogue in a TPB of the comic would be, suplanting the previous release that lacked it?--ZacWilliam 18:46, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Directly citing Primal's line seems unnecessary to me -- I already wrote that one can presume it was done -- but it can be added without muddling too much. On the Rhino DVD, I thought the clip was included as an extra, and not incorporated into the episode itself? If it was edited into the ep, then I agree that it makes the example messier and I would definitely prefer we find another. If it's an extra / special feature, that makes a difference to me. --Steve-o 19:47, 21 October 2007 (UTC)

Replacing Megatron's spark

How is that not canon? It was included in an official DVD set. Official TF media=canon. Or does pseudocanon mean "happenned, but we're not sure if it did in that specific continuity"? I'm confused. Item42 03:25, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

It was included as a bonus feature, not part of an episode. Therefore, it isn't actually part of fiction. --Khajidha 10:28, 19 June 2010 (EDT)

Bonus features aren't canon fiction? Item42 00:19, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

Depends, deleted scenes and alternate takes aren't usually considered canon. If there was a bonus short film (say if a web cartoon was included) it probably would be canon. --Khajidha 00:26, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

I am deeply confused, does pseudocanon mean "happened somewhere, but only maybe in that continuity? If so, how could it not be in continuity? Do things have to be edited into a preexisting storyline to make it in-continuity? The Arrival is in continuity with the TF Animated cartoon, but not edited into it. Or does it have something like:

This comic is in the same continuity as the Transformers Animated cartoon

Really i just don't get the example. Even drawings in the fan club magazine that don't seem to make sense are canon due to being official. So, why is a dvd extra not official? From the "everything is canon" policy, if an alternate take on a scene is officially released, then it is canon, but in some other continuity as the "main" version of that scene. So, why is that not canon? (Maybe I'm just having trouble understanding this concept). Also, maybe Alignment or the JaAm comic would make better examples since they were'nt HasTak-approved, but get referenced in some official material. Item42 00:48, 27 June 2010 (EDT)

Deleted scenes and alternate takes aren't presented as fiction, they are presented as stages of development. Therefore they are no more canon than design sketches. --Khajidha 12:35, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Apocrypha

So what happened to /wiki/Category:Apocrypha? I understand some people view Apocrypha and Pseudocanon as synonyms, but could they have been merged? A lot of pages, such as Alignment and Bumblebee at Tyger Pax, still have the Apocrypha tag. Can that be changed to a Pseudocanon tag with /wiki/Pseudocanon being a Category? --69.152.67.136 22:33, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

They are the same thing. Template: Apocrypha identifies the entry as being pseudocanon. --Khajidha 22:37, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

Right. But at the moment, the Apocrypha tag isn't doing anything and there's no longer any Category or list of Apocrypha/Pseudocanon. --69.152.67.136 00:45, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

I still see Category:Apocrypha --abates 00:54, 26 July 2011 (EDT)