Talk:Renegade
Rather than "known Renegades", shouldn't the sub-title be changed to "Renegades who have met Transformers"?
Do we put the movieverse guys who are explicitly Gobot homages?
- "Renegades who have met Transformers" would not really work, since neither Herr Fiend nor Doctor B have even been in the same universe as a Transformer. -- Semysane 07:14, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
- And homages =/= actual GoBots. So Deadlift, Fracture & co are not "known Renegades". --Detour 08:48, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
In the context of a Transformers wiki, "Known Renegades" is correct. --ItsWalky 10:18, 25 August 2010 (EDT)
It just occured to me, I've never seen a Guardian or Renegade insignia. Do they even have insignias like the Autobots and Decepticons do?71.255.173.210 21:44, 1 February 2012 (EST)
- Yes, they do. Most prominently on the Boomers, but Treds also sports the Renegades sigil. --Detour 05:17, 2 February 2012 (EST)
- I made scans of them from the chests of Courageous and Grungy. --Monzo 14:06, 4 February 2012 (EST)
Why are they not shown here? 71.255.173.210 13:35, 4 February 2012 (EST)
- Most likely because they haven't been used in Transformers fiction. --abates 16:00, 4 February 2012 (EST)
- Wait, Isn't the Gobots universe now one of the known Transformers universes? And by that token would that not mean that ALL Gobots fiction is now a part of Transformers fiction (I know I'm stretching it there but that's just the implication I'm getting.)--BlackStarscream 16:37, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
- Yes and no. There's a GoBots universe which is part of the Transformers Multiverse, but the GoBots cartoon isn't part of Transformers fiction. --abates 17:07, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
- See this page for more: Transformers_Wiki_talk:Community_Portal/GoBots --Khajidha 17:15, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
- Yes and no. There's a GoBots universe which is part of the Transformers Multiverse, but the GoBots cartoon isn't part of Transformers fiction. --abates 17:07, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
- Wait, Isn't the Gobots universe now one of the known Transformers universes? And by that token would that not mean that ALL Gobots fiction is now a part of Transformers fiction (I know I'm stretching it there but that's just the implication I'm getting.)--BlackStarscream 16:37, 15 May 2012 (EDT)
Preserved discussion from "User talk:Chris McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades"
[edit]If I may... making every individual Renegade a sub-section makes for a TOC that's at least a full screen long. That's a waste of space that makes my fists itch. I suggest making the individuals section a table of some sort. Name column, altmode column, short descriptor, and then when/if a GB wiki gets proper traction, a column of links to the relevant pages there. --M Sipher (talk) 23:46, 9 January 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, I don't like how it looks. I thought I'd turn them into bullet-points to keep the formatting but eliminate the TOC, but a table works too. - Chris McFeely (talk) 08:11, 10 January 2016 (EST)
- Looking better as a table I think. The following characters on your list have appeared in Transformers crossover fiction: Cop-Tur (GoBots) hacked the Axiom Nexus News airwaves. Crasher (GoBots) did as well, and put in an appearance in Animated and played an important role in Echoes. Zero was in animated as well, and played a major role in Echoes and Fragments. Puzzler was one of the Thirteen Great Demon Generals, as well as being made up of six displaced Cybertronian sparks. Clutch (GoBots), Warpath (GoBots), Monsterous, and the Instigation Mini-Con Team as Cybertronians are walking crossovers. Fitor (GoBots), Tank, and Geeper-Creeper all appeared in Brain Problem Situation, but in brief cameos that could be cogently argued would be better served as a list. Gong (GoBots), of course, fought Vector Prime several times. And, if we do lean towards treating Echoes as a crossover story and not Renegades Rhetoric, the Master Renegade, Dactyls (not covered on your list), and Spoons would all probably warrant a page. --Giggidy (talk) 18:58, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Setting aside the issue of what we're doing with "Echoes", I think all of those are bitty and insignificant enough that they fall under the function of this list. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Ignoring "Echoes" for the moment, I feel like appearing in a fully Transformers story warrants an article no matter what (define it as "outside Facebook" or whatever). So Crasher gets a page because of Animated; Creepy and Vamp stay where they are, etc. Saix (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, not suggesting Crasher's Animated page would go away. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Every one of the "bitty and insignificant" ones I mention are more prominent than a one-word mention in a bio. Notability has never been a wiki criteria and this has already spawned a Community Portal proposal to create similar lists.--Giggidy (talk) 00:07, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Giggidy, I'm not going round and round arguing this with you. I don't know how many different ways I can say "we are minimizing coverage of the GoBots content from Facebook." - Chris McFeely (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Well, first off, you've never said that before. You've said "Renegade Rhetoric isn't Transformers". "We are minimizing coverage of the GoBots content from Facebook" is a different idea and should be a different proposal.--Giggidy (talk) 06:56, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Damn it, Giggidy, I'm a detail-oriented guy and a GoBots fan but even I think you've picked the worst time possible to nitpick somebody on semantics. AVP and RR are sister works from the same platform; it's not a leap of logic to extend Chris's statements on RR over to "Echoes and Fragments". Come to think of it, I think this is not dissimilar to the mantras of Vector Prime which you heartily espouse. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 08:28, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Well, first off, you've never said that before. You've said "Renegade Rhetoric isn't Transformers". "We are minimizing coverage of the GoBots content from Facebook" is a different idea and should be a different proposal.--Giggidy (talk) 06:56, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Giggidy, I'm not going round and round arguing this with you. I don't know how many different ways I can say "we are minimizing coverage of the GoBots content from Facebook." - Chris McFeely (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Every one of the "bitty and insignificant" ones I mention are more prominent than a one-word mention in a bio. Notability has never been a wiki criteria and this has already spawned a Community Portal proposal to create similar lists.--Giggidy (talk) 00:07, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, not suggesting Crasher's Animated page would go away. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:52, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Ignoring "Echoes" for the moment, I feel like appearing in a fully Transformers story warrants an article no matter what (define it as "outside Facebook" or whatever). So Crasher gets a page because of Animated; Creepy and Vamp stay where they are, etc. Saix (talk) 20:44, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Setting aside the issue of what we're doing with "Echoes", I think all of those are bitty and insignificant enough that they fall under the function of this list. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:02, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Looking better as a table I think. The following characters on your list have appeared in Transformers crossover fiction: Cop-Tur (GoBots) hacked the Axiom Nexus News airwaves. Crasher (GoBots) did as well, and put in an appearance in Animated and played an important role in Echoes. Zero was in animated as well, and played a major role in Echoes and Fragments. Puzzler was one of the Thirteen Great Demon Generals, as well as being made up of six displaced Cybertronian sparks. Clutch (GoBots), Warpath (GoBots), Monsterous, and the Instigation Mini-Con Team as Cybertronians are walking crossovers. Fitor (GoBots), Tank, and Geeper-Creeper all appeared in Brain Problem Situation, but in brief cameos that could be cogently argued would be better served as a list. Gong (GoBots), of course, fought Vector Prime several times. And, if we do lean towards treating Echoes as a crossover story and not Renegades Rhetoric, the Master Renegade, Dactyls (not covered on your list), and Spoons would all probably warrant a page. --Giggidy (talk) 18:58, 3 March 2016 (EST)
We should probably also set up things for the bit human and Rock Lord and other allies mentioned and featured in the RR stories. Escargon (talk) 20:06, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- I'd say "list of Rock Lords" page (or maybe... just put evil Rock Lords on the Renegade page and good Rock Lords on the Guardians page), yeah, but I was just planning to put Matt, Nick, etc, under the allies section of the Guardians page. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:09, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, I figured. I meant really bit roles like the Brasnyan head of state or the Harlem Globetrotters. Would we put them under who they worked with in the story? Escargon (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- I think they're beyond the scope of the limited coverage we're giving this stuff. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- But the Brasnyans inhabit an analogue of a Transformers-original state. And Doctor Faraji was mentioned by Cy-Kill while in Axiom Nexus. Surely we can have 1 list for non-aligned characters. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- My criteria would be, "Were they invented solely to star in a Gobots story that it has actively been decided we are not giving full wiki coverage to?" If yes, well... - Chris McFeely (talk) 04:04, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- But the Brasnyans inhabit an analogue of a Transformers-original state. And Doctor Faraji was mentioned by Cy-Kill while in Axiom Nexus. Surely we can have 1 list for non-aligned characters. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:09, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- I think they're beyond the scope of the limited coverage we're giving this stuff. - Chris McFeely (talk) 20:21, 3 March 2016 (EST)
- Yeah, I figured. I meant really bit roles like the Brasnyan head of state or the Harlem Globetrotters. Would we put them under who they worked with in the story? Escargon (talk) 20:19, 3 March 2016 (EST)
Should the Evil One be on here somewhere? I'm not sure whether he'd be on the main list or as an ally, or not at all. (Vec-Tor should probably be on the list of Guardians, at least.) --Riptide (talk) 10:21, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Do storylinks work in any way with this format? I suspect the answer is no, but I like keeping pages thoroughly linked up. --Ascendron (talk) 13:43, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- With the anchor text, yes. User:Chris McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades#Warpath --Giggidy (talk) 14:21, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- Why would anyone be storylinking to a character article? I suspect Ascendron wanted to know whether storylinks to AVP/RR could be integrated into the article, somehow. (I'd say put them at the end of the information sections, rather than threading them into the middle of them - that'd just make things confusing with such short entries.) --Riptide (talk) 14:25, 4 March 2016 (EST)
- With the anchor text, yes. User:Chris McFeely/Sandbox:ListofRenegades#Warpath --Giggidy (talk) 14:21, 4 March 2016 (EST)
I've other stuff on my plate right now but I just feel it worth saying that a one-word mention of a character's name in BWU story doesn't seem like reason enough to create what would be a one-sentence article when it can be part of this oned. This needs to not be thought of a "dumping ground" for "stuff we don't like," but just as a place for consolidation of small things. - Chris McFeely (talk) 21:42, 2 April 2016 (EDT)
Since this list has been taken live, can the sandbox be deleted so that it stops showing up in link lists? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:01, 28 August 2016 (EDT)