Talk:Scourge (G1)

The Identity of Scourge

"He was created by Unicron from the remains of Skywarp."

We're not going to start this argument again, are we? BTW, he was amde from Thundercracker :p --FortMax 20:56, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

That's what I get for going off the top of my head. But yeah, you're right, I guess we best avoid any "Bombshell is Cyclonus and Rumble is red!" debates.--DrSpengler 21:29, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Alright, so the recent Transformers the Animated Movie #2 clearly shows Thundercracker getting turned into Scourge...should that be reflected in this article or does the new movie adaptation have no bearing on the old movie and subsequent cartoon continuity? --DrSpengler 20:21, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

It should be mentioned. The adaptation corresponds to what the animation shows anyway. --ItsWalky 21:08, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

• Aiight, I made a small note of it. If anyone wants to tool around with that, be my guest. --DrSpengler 21:27, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I don't think it's ever really been that contested that Scourge was Thundercracker. It'd certainly be the one that people argue the LEAST about, anyway. I have, like, a whole Scourge article written up at Wikipedia. If anyone wanted to copy it over, wouldn't stop yer... can't muster the enthusiasm for it, meself. Though kindly ignore the massacred Cybertron bit. - Chris McFeely 21:33, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

I moved it from the profile to the Animated continuity section, since it's not universal. Scourge existed concurrently with Thundercracker in the Dreamwave comics, and he seems to be just an normal Decepticon (also concurrent with the Seekers) in the Hearts of Steel continuity. --ItsWalky 21:36, 22 November 2006 (UTC)

IDW

Is there nothing more to be said about the IDW continuity? - Starfield 19:10, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

I'm not sure how much more there is to say about a character that gets a one line of dialogue mention that doesn't do more than establish he exists. (The line doesn't even include anything about his personality, IIRC.) --Jeysie 19:13, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Well, can you tell from the context if he a regular member of the Decepticon ranks and not some undead explorer or something? - Starfield 19:18, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

*digs up comic*

"You're stalling. We've beaten the only real threat we've ever faced. I can see what's coming. So can you. Who will it be? Scourge? Who would have thought the worst move you could have made would be to win?"

...so I guess we could maybe add an extra line saying that Starscream thinks Scourge might want to challenge Megatron for command? That's it, though. --Jeysie 19:22, 30 July 2009 (EDT)

Are you seriously telling me...

Nobody found a way to link Non-canon in the section about whether or not his cannon is a cannon?

Toy Image

Why do we have that image for his Generations/United toy? I'm sure we've all seen the waaaay better one at TFW2005.com-Megatron Prime--67.142.174.22 20:50, 16 November 2010 (EST)

We have it because you haven't fixed it yet. --ItsWalky 21:34, 16 November 2010 (EST)

Since it's been decided that Scourge was made from TC

And it's outright stated in the fiction section that he is, I'm just gonna go ahead and change the "Dead decepticons (not going to get into this here)" part in the toy section to "Thundercracker." Okay? --Ninjabot33 16:51, 1 February 2011 (EST)

One thing I'm sure there's depate about is weather Scourge is Thundercracker upgraded, a new psychological entity, or just whole new guy using a corpse for a template. If Galvy gets that lewd a heated debate I'm sure Scourge does as well.--BlackStarscream 04:18, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Generations Scourge

Does anyone know which character the head, that's in Sourge's instructions, belongs to? -(DeceptiScourge45)

No. --Detour 18:29, 24 February 2011 (EST)

I am really unsold on his wings being intended to be opened in robot mode, on the grounds that it looks pretty terrible. I think all they said at Botcon was that they folded down more than the image showed, and they do. -LV 21:32, 3 April 2011 (EDT)

I agree. They don't actually look like they were designed to be left open. As for DeceptiScourge's question, it looks kind of like Leozack to me but I don't think we should put that speculation in the article itself. --Khajidha 14:16, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

They're drawn open on the e-Hobby 3-pack packaging art. Also, the instructions head is likely Senator Ratbat's (from Megatron Origin), but we shouldn't put that in the article until we have proof. --ItsWalky 16:54, 9 April 2011 (EDT)

Actually when you fold the wings down furthur and then unfold them as much as possible then it does actually look like Scourge's batwings. Can't argue that it looks terrible but when compared next to Titanium scourge its not that far off.--BlackStarscream 03:37, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

So I checked both the Scourge toy and the manual. The head raising feature IS in the manual; its just harder to see because the head pictured looks more natural in its lower position. Also that feature IS in fact there for a reason. Its ment to give Scourge's head a neck and have in a more natural position rather than slumped in between the shoulders. But in any case its in the manual so its not undocumented.--BlackStarscream 01:20, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Primo, it's undocumented because it's not an altmode feature. Secondo, the "lower" position is the correct one. Just look at any screenshot on Scourge's article, it sits between that raised "collar". Tertio, the extra raise position leaves an unsightly hole in the neckline, this position is quite clearly meant only for altmode. Quattro, the instructions do not show the neck in its super-raised position. --Detour 01:30, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Step 6 in the manual dude. The head's highlighted with an up arrow. That's documentation right there. And all the animated picks have the head either at the same position or more forward but not slumped into the shoulders. Check the manual cuz its there.--BlackStarscream 02:32, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Step 6 documents how to raise the head normally for robot mode, not raise it the extra bit for the pop-out vehicle mode head. --Detour 02:51, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Image 1: How the head is for vehicle mode. Image 2: Step 6 of instructions. Image 3: UNDOCUMENTED FEATURE. --Detour 03:01, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Ahh ok. After fiddling with my own Scourge and then seeing your pic I see what you mean now. But it's actually the same jointing really. The way it was written it seemed to refer to just the head raising in general. In that case can we just rephrase it to where it says the head can raise one step higher than noted by the instructions? Cuz its the same part that moves, it just happense to have two levels to it. Maybe put there a second level that it raises. sorry about all that confusion.--BlackStarscream 03:13, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

That's already what it says. It's what the "farther" in "his head raises farther" means. --Detour 03:17, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

It's rather difficult if not impossible to know that just from reading it. The way its written makes it seem like it simply refers to raising it from the fully lowered position. "Farther" just seems to mean farther than its supposed be in that mode, despite what you might've inteded for it to be taken to be. It just looks a bit ambiguous and that's AFTER I know it raises farther from being raised. It have been specifically the fact that you put "in vehicle mode"; In robot mode its more clearly visible what farther refers to. Even repositioning the "in vehicle mode" to go after "hilarious charachter model mishaps" would make it more clear, though it would still be clearest to specify that its reaising it higher than what the manual indicates for the robot mode.--BlackStarscream 03:33, 18 August 2011 (EDT)