Talk:Sideswipe (G2)
Merge?
[edit]They're both similar enough, they may look different, but both are technically clones of the original Sideswipe, both are technically G2 Sideswipe-as-separate-characters, and even the new toy could be viewed as a "retcon" to tie the two together. It's not like the two exist in the same continuity, so they can easily be alternate versions of eachother, with any differences in origin being chalked up to being akin to similarly different origins of G1 Marvel and cartoon Grimlock.Transfan 1992 (talk) 08:14, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- Heck, I'd take it a step further and suggest we also merge Sideswipe clone (G1), while we're at it. Different design, different origin, but could easily be seen as an alternate universe equivalent.Transfan 1992 (talk) 08:19, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- I believe trying to put all of these Sideswipe “Clones" on the same page would be more confusing than helpful and I think the amount of technicallys you used kind of points to that. And admittedly some of the connections are fairly loose. Notably saying the IDW is similar enough to the G2 clone, since the IDW one isn’t a clone, but a naturally born Cybertronian Arcee named Sideswipe to honor her deceased friend’s memory, instead of being genetically crafted by mad science. And with the other Sideswipe Clone, if I understand it right, it’s not it’s own being, but rather built specifically to imitate Sideswipe, like the Optimus clone from the cartoon. SoundJack426 (talk) 08:37, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- The differences in origin, with IDW being a natural born cybertronian rather than clone, could be chalked up to different origins like G1 Grimlock being from Cybertron in Marvel and built on Earth. Even so, both the other Sideswipes are explicitly evil clones of the original.Transfan 1992 (talk) 08:44, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- In your example, all of those Grimlocks are different takes on what is roughly the same character. Barber wasn't thinking of the G2 clone when he came up with the IDW child, nor were Wittenrich and Sinclair thinking of the Sideswipe clone from the storybook. All this would do is muddle things unnecessarily. Star Spangled Sam (talk) 09:22, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- The differences in origin, with IDW being a natural born cybertronian rather than clone, could be chalked up to different origins like G1 Grimlock being from Cybertron in Marvel and built on Earth. Even so, both the other Sideswipes are explicitly evil clones of the original.Transfan 1992 (talk) 08:44, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- I believe trying to put all of these Sideswipe “Clones" on the same page would be more confusing than helpful and I think the amount of technicallys you used kind of points to that. And admittedly some of the connections are fairly loose. Notably saying the IDW is similar enough to the G2 clone, since the IDW one isn’t a clone, but a naturally born Cybertronian Arcee named Sideswipe to honor her deceased friend’s memory, instead of being genetically crafted by mad science. And with the other Sideswipe Clone, if I understand it right, it’s not it’s own being, but rather built specifically to imitate Sideswipe, like the Optimus clone from the cartoon. SoundJack426 (talk) 08:37, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- Heck, I'd take it a step further and suggest we also merge Sideswipe clone (G1), while we're at it. Different design, different origin, but could easily be seen as an alternate universe equivalent.Transfan 1992 (talk) 08:19, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- Don't we often merge seemingly unrelated concepts alot of the time due to similarities? Alot of movie pages of characters were merged because they had similar toys or appearances in comics despite having different appearances, personalities and roles that could never be compatible with eachother.Transfan 1992 (talk) 14:32, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- We can always just make a note at the bottom?Transfan 1992 (talk) 14:34, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- I'm not really onboard with this proposal; I can maybe see the value of merging IDW Sideswipe with the G2 one, but not the storybook one. Grum (talk) 14:38, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
- If anything the toy "retcons" the former two together, after all it's not like both clones appeared in BWU or something where we'd definitely have to say they're separate characters.Transfan 1992 (talk) 17:34, 10 October 2020 (EDT)
If the pages aren't being merged, there's no reason for the WFC toy to be listed on the Jhiaxus clone page, is there? --Xaaron (talk) 09:17, 6 December 2021 (EST)
- Since there's now actual fiction for the Covert Clone, I think this proposal is worth revisiting. Obviously don't merge in Sideswipe clone (G1), that's silly, but I think the two are conceptually similar enough to share a page, especially with the Covert Clone blurring the lines. --Riptide (talk) 17:48, 17 June 2022 (EDT)
I agree with a merge. MrRald (talk) 14:33, 4 December 2022 (EST)