Talk:Straxus (G1)

So, Generations "Darkmount" was at ToyFair? I can't find any mention of him outside this wiki. ---Blackout- 07:39, 14 February 2010 (EST)

[1] Geewunling 07:41, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Approximately half the sites call him "Darkhead" for some reason. Pictures be floating about, even though people were asked not to take them. --Monzo 07:44, 14 February 2010 (EST)

Thanks. ---Blackout- 07:46, 14 February 2010 (EST)

FWIW, we were only asked not to take them so as not to flash in the eyes of the presenters, not because anything was a secret; Hasbro said all the pics were going to be given to us anyway. It turned out Straxus' pics had come in from the shop too last-minute to have been added to the press kits. So, good on the shutterbugs. --Thylacine 2000 04:53, 15 February 2010 (EST)

"Tank" vs "Self-Propelled Gun"

I realize there's probably a 99% chance his card copy will say "tank" regardless, but it would be more in-keeping with the character history if he's actually a self-propelled gun? I'll probably add a note to that extent soon. Is there ANY way for us to get official confirmation in advance? For some reason I'm really fixating on this, I even directed the toy pics to a military hobbyist site to see if they could nail down the make and model of the vehicle mode. --Thylacine 2000 04:53, 15 February 2010 (EST)

What feels wrong about this to me is that most of the images of self-propelled guns I'm seeing have really short barrels, and usually multiples of them, keeping with the idea that they're anti-aircraft weapons stuck on a vehicle. Darkmount doesn't keep in line with this, having a more traditional tank barrel. --ItsWalky 08:36, 15 February 2010 (EST)

That's strange, cause a quick Google search just turned up oodles and skoodles of images of vehicles with single, massive barrels that most civilians would unhesitatingly call "tanks". Khajidha 08:45, 15 February 2010 (EST)

The linked article shows numerous examples of s.p.g's that have single gigantic gunbarrels; most are anti-tank guns or mobile Howitzers used for over-the-horizon city bombardment. But here's the weird thing: the only half-track s.p.g's I can find are of the type Walky described: small multi-barrels, usually of WW2 vintage. Meanwhile, I can't find any specimens of a half-track true tank at all.--Thylacine 2000 09:20, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Half-tracks were never used for tank chassis. Half-tracks were pretty much always troop transports or similar. -hx 09:37, 15 February 2010 (EST)

This is the sort of geekery that I think should live on the wiki, and in fact does live in altmode discussions of many other characters. If the final packaging ends up saying "tank" it could still be appropriate to at least mention the possibility; cobras aren't vipers, as we note on Night Viper. FWIW, some military fanboys weighed in here: http://gmic.co.uk/index.php?showtopic=42398 --Thylacine 2000 23:00, 17 February 2010 (EST)

I am not sure I agree with having half of Darkmount's toy writeup be about whether he's a self-propelled gun or a tank. It's really irrelevant, considering his vehicle mode seems to be entirely made-up. His cockpit is a windowed affair on the front corner, for gods sake. --ItsWalky 23:34, 17 February 2010 (EST)

I may have gone overboard initially--especially considering that we can't even show a good pic of the toy yet--so I've shortened it.

FWIW, about that windowed cockpit up front: http://www.army-technology.com/projects/g6/g63.html --Thylacine 2000 10:11, 18 February 2010 (EST)

Dead Link and Title Thoughts

Just in case it's not known already, wanted to point out the "Obscure Omnibus" link seems to be dead at the moment. And on a random side note, part of me wishes Hasbro had thought to call him "Lord Darkmount" then we could more easily pretend it was his title as ruler of Darkmount castle, kinda like James McCullen is "Lord Destro." Though... that still kinda works, doesn't it, as he's usually just called Destro. Lord Byron was frequently called just Byron as well. I think in my own mind I'm gonna likewise consider "Darkmount" as Straxus's "aristocratic title." --ZacWilliam 14:56, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

Using a regional name as a personified noun is common in journalism and historical writing, so it can still be a synonym for the government (and in this case, the dictator). "Russia today declared that it would withdraw from the Nuclear Non-Proliferation Treaty. And in other news, Darkmount announced that fools within its borders would receive no mercy, only death."--Thylacine 2000 15:19, 20 April 2010 (EDT)

Triple Changer?

Straxus is currently in the Triple Changers category because of what was said about his Generations toy at Toy Fair. Maybe he should be demoted from an official Triple Changer to a Transformer with three modes. His third mode isn't even mentioned on the packaging. - Starfield 22:22, 29 December 2010 (EST)

Straxus Becomes Galvatron?

I don't believe this was ever even slightly hinted at anywhere in the Marvel U.K. comics. Straxus' mind is trapped within a duplicate of Megatron's body, goes to Earth, participates in the Time Wars and then returns to Cybertron to commit suicide. There is no indication of any other Straxus-Megatron existing in any other Marvel U.K. timeline. Least of all one that later becomes Galvatron. 95.148.10.137 10:08, 13 January 2011 (EST)

It's not that it was hinted at in the stories at the time, but more of a retroactive thing. For almost the entirety of the Straxus-Megatron clone's existence, he was treated as the real Megatron. That's who the writer considered him to be when he was writing the story - the clone thing only came in later as a necessary explanation. And so, Galvatron remembers the events of Time Wars as Megatron sees them, because Megatron is his past self. Except later, it turned out that the Megatron from Time Wars was... Straxus-Megatron. This indicated the possibility that he could have been the Megatron who got turned into Galvatron, since they shared memories. Time Wars proceeded to change history, and so he died and the real Megatron became Galvatron instead. It's not an absolute, merely a possibility spawned as the result of a retcon. As the article says, sarcastically, "It's all very simple, isn't it?" - Chris McFeely 11:19, 13 January 2011 (EST)

Chris beat me to it. In Time Wars, Galvatron remembers seeing the events of the day through the participating Megatron's eyes. ...however, it was revealed later that the participating Megatron was the Straxus clone. The page doesn't really deal with this information terribly well. If Derik didn't write that trailing italicized portion at the end of the Marvel section, I'll eat my hat. --ItsWalky 11:20, 13 January 2011 (EST)

I don't see Derik in the revision history... Geewunling 11:22, 13 January 2011 (EST)

That's because the passage in question predates the editing history we have. --ItsWalky 11:28, 13 January 2011 (EST)

Actually, I didn't find it over on Teletraan I's Straxus's article, while the line is there. Seems that one "Borf the Dwarf" added it. Geewunling 11:32, 13 January 2011 (EST)

Actually, I think it might have been me! Not the "very simple" part, but the rest, I think! - Chris McFeely 11:43, 13 January 2011 (EST)

I think we're confusing exactly who's who and who is from which timeline here. The Galvatron from 2006 thats been appearing throughout the Marvel U.K. comics is from the '86 movie timeline. The Marvel comics is seperate, following a timeline where the '86 movie cannot happen. It is therefore logical to believe that the events prior to the '86 movie don't match the events as shown in the Marvel comics.

Look at the second page of the Time Wars Part 7 story. The third panel shows Galvatron from the '86 movie timeline and the Straxus-Megatron clone. The second panel shows a different event in which the Megatron shown is from the '86 movie timeline that later becomes the Galvatron in the third panel. The event that the second panel shows is a variation of Time Wars which happened prior to the '86 movie whereas the third panel shows the Time Wars from the Marvel timeline. The Galvatron in the second panel is currently a mystery though. It cannot be '86 movie timeline Galvatron because his story doesn't take him back into his own timeline. Which leads us to...

The repaired rift in time and space as we see in Aspects of Evil: Galvatron. Rodimus Prime, Kup, Arcee, Blurr, Red Alert and Ultra Magnus (if he's still alive) are from the '86 movie timeline still and retain their memories from before the '86 movie (Rodimus Prime in Aspects of Evil is telling his student his memories prior to the '86 movie which don't happen in the regular Marvel timeline). However, Galvatron and everyone else is new with no memories or experiences from either the '86 movie timeline or the main Marvel timeline. Those six Autobots travelled to a third timeline. The '86 movie still happened for those six but that particular timeline is closed off to them. Whether the '86 movie timeline is continuing without them, we don't know.

The only assumption here is not that there was a Straxus-Megatron clone in the '86 movie that got kicked out of Astrotrain in 2005 but a much more factual explanation. The Galvatron that '86 movie Galvatron remembers in Time Wars is not himself, not Marvel Megatron (his story takes him into Classics and G2) or Marvel Straxus-Megatron (he dies) but a second Galvatron (and not the one from Rhythms of Darkness either). So, I would assume that this Galvatron from the new third timeline will at some point later travel to the past of the '86 movie continuity to kick Optimus Prime's butt as is shown in the memories of '86 movie Galvatron.

Also, the Megatron from the Trigger-Happy story is not Straxus-Megatron either but is in fact the Megatron from the '86 timeline since he's seen Galvatron and wrongly believes he will later become that same Galvatron. This means Trigger-Happy takes place in the timeline prior to the '86 movie and not the regular Marvel timeline.

This would be much easier with diagrams but I gave it my best shot in explaining why '86 movie Galvatron cannot be originally a Straxus-Megatron clone. 95.148.10.183 17:23, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

To which I would simply counter that on multiple occasions Galvatron considers this Megatron to be his younger self and has memories of the events of Time Wars, though they turn out differently. This strongly suggests that events only really start to diverge around this time and Galvatron would have been the future of this Megatron but for these events. Which frankly is what everybody, the characters, the writer and the readers, considered to be the case in early 1989, and since that Galvatron is dead by the time we learn of the Straxus thing, everything else is open to interpretation.

And I'm not persuaded that that second panel actually is what happened to Galvatron the first time around. The problem is he's gone insane by this stage so what are his memories and what are just the products of a mad mind is hard to tell.

And if you think this is convoluted, try the history of Iron Lad, Rama-Tut, the Scarlet Centurion, Kang and Immortus where sometimes even the same writer couldn't make up their mind about who was the same character and who was a divergant. Timrollpickering (talk) 16:09, 5 December 2013 (EST)

Roller Master?

Uh, where the heck is it stated that "Roller Master" is the same guy as Straxus? Aside from having a similar color scheme and a Mini-Con named "Spanner", I'm not seeing any concrete connection. --Nu-Priest 10:44, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

See the below links. poweredconvoy 11:06, 24 September 2012 (EDT)

http://www.allspark.com/forums/index.php?s=&showtopic=89376&view=findpost&p=2149779

http://www.allspark.com/content/view/10631/37/

Microman Armored Suit DX3 Bulsonic (Blue Type)

There should be some mention of the New Microman toy that featured in the Metro Wars comic, and the alleged Japanese fan theory that produced it. Should the toy actually be included in his "Toys" section? Chip (talk) 09:07, 2 August 2016 (EDT)

WFC Kingdom links back to Straxus?

So for some reason whenever I click on the link for War for Cybertron: Kingdom in the section for his Generations toy it links to… Straxus?? I checked the text and it does in fact contain the link to WFC Kingdom but it just sends me to Straxus

Is anyone else having this problem or is it just something on my end? AssaultBread (talk) 22:49, 4 May 2025 (CDT)

Someone put a # on the start of the link by accident. --abates (talk) 00:06, 5 May 2025 (EDT)