Talk:Swoop (G1)

G2 Swoop

That can't seriously be the only picture of Swoop we have. --Andrusi 23:21, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

I was gonna change it, but this one was so funny-lookin'. Kinda like the main pic at Grimlock. Not the most prominant image of the character, but someone thought it was funny. --DrSpengler 23:27, 1 November 2006 (UTC)

IIRC, Walky's in unrequited lust with this Swoop color scheme, so I'm guessing that explains all. ;-)

Ugly Duckling

On a side note, I think it's interesting that we have some idea of the Transformer race's sense of aesthetics dealing with personal beauty. Swoop's beast mode is considered particularly ugly and terrifying to TF sensibillities as is Grotusque's alt-mode. On the other hand, Lightspeed is considered to be particularly atractive and handsome. Makes me wonder if there's enough for a small "Culture" article on "Transformer Beauty Standards". ZacWilliam 00:13, 2 November 2006 (UTC)

Coloring book

Does this actually belong under the Marvel heading, or does it need to be moved? And do we know the title? Chip 16:56, 8 September 2007 (UTC)

Classic Swoop size

On page 19 of the Timelines 2007 comic Strongarm and Swoop free Mirage. Swoop is in robot mode and is only about as big as Mirage's arm. So it seems he is Mini-Con sized.

Veteran

Furman also directly named the Veteran as Swoop in the story he did where Optimus Prime finally went to J'nwan during the time of the Maximal Upgrade--Rosicrucian 16:09, 11 October 2007 (UTC)

Marvel Comics model

The trivia section mentions that Swoop's Marvel model uses the Diaclone toy's gold bits. Er.... when did this occur? I don't want to delete it outright if that color scheme did show up at some point. Chip 07:41, 22 November 2007 (UTC)

Animated Continuity

"While guarding a mysterious meteorite, the original Dinobots, Grimlock, Slag and Sludge, were fooled by Megatron into joining the side of the Decepticons. To counter the threat of their former comrades, the Autobots constructed two new Dinobots; Snarl and Swoop."

This isn't accurate. According to "War of the Dinobots" Optimus Prime commissions Ratchet and Wheeljack to build two new Dinobots because he's pleased with the originals, not specifically to fight the others (Although that is what happens later. How fortuitous.).--Suzyprime 02:40, 24 November 2007 (UTC)

Not a Dinosaur

Since when? Blasphemy I say! But seriously, since when?--Chipmonk328

Since pterodactyls fly and the term "dinosaur" specifically refers to land-bound giant reptiles. -- Dark T Zeratul 15:15, 28 January 2010 (EST)

Technically since 1842 when the term Dinosauria was coined, Pterosauria had been established in 1834. Both are members of the larger group Archosauria and both lived in the Mesozoic Era, so that popular imagination often confuses them, but they are truly separate groups. Birds, on the other hand, ARE dinosaurs. Khajidha 15:20, 28 January 2010 (EST)

European availability

Swoop's absence from the UK toyline is no secret, but was he available in mainland Europe? Looking at the catalogue scans for the countries handled by MB (France, Germany, Netherlands etc.) all the noted absentees from the UK range are present: Roadbuster & Whirl, Shockwave, Blaster, the Deluxe Insecticons and so on. But whenever the Dinobots are shown, Swoop's always missing. What's the dealio? --Asukasboy 17:26, 13 December 2010 (EST)

Beast Wars Sourcebook

Judging by the Windrazor (BW) entry, the Veteran is specifically referenced. Does that mean Swoop should have a section for it like Windrazor does? --Flicky1991 16:56, 9 February 2013 (EST)

Legion Strafe

Why is Legion Class Strafe listed here as a G1 Swoop toy? It came out at the same time as AOE, it's in AOE Strafe's colors (at least a lot closer than any G1 color), and given the complete lack of fiction attached to the figure, calling it G1 Swoop seems pretty nonsensical (especially since, you know, it's listed as Strafe). Ditto the Grimlock from the same assortment. The closest thing to fiction I can find is the Hasbro website, which doesn't have anything G1 specific (it even says he uses a crossbow, that's more of a AOE Strafe thing than a G1 Swoop thing).--Larkmarn1 (talk) 14:40, 24 November 2014 (EST)

I'm assuming that it's because the line he was released under was G1 themed - Prime, Megatron, Bumblebee and Starscream are all in G1/2 bodies (more or less) and the packaging art is definitely going for the G1 aesthetic, even if the colours are off. --Emvee (talk) 15:39, 24 November 2014 (EST)

That seems... flimsy, given that a full 1/3 of the figures in the line are clearly in AOE colors, and every figure in the wave was in non-G1 colors (Grimlock and Megs). I guess the packaging art thing is a bit more meaningful, but given they're just sloppy recolors anyway it doesn't exactly fill me with confidence given so much about the figures screams AOE. Larkmarn1 (talk) 15:53, 24 November 2014 (EST)

If they intended the toys to be the AOE guys, they'd have used the AOE logo and character art for the packaging. That's what they did for Walmart's Legion assortment, after all. Furthermore, their Hasbro.com listings describe them as "Classic" Legion figures. The colours are clearly a brand synergy thing, same as how, for instance, RTS Bumblebee gained movie-style black stripes. Jalaguy (talk) 16:11, 24 November 2014 (EST)

It's not as though Market Six exclusives getting non-mainline packaging is new. I mean, we don't say this Soundwave isn't Cybertron Soundwave, or this isn't an Energon character. Not to mention that Grimlock and Strafe both have movie-verse Autobot symbols on their packaging. It looks like Strafe, it's named Strafe, what little fiction it has is closer to Strafe. Occam's Razor says that, well, it'd be Strafe. Just seems like the burden should be on proving that it's Swoop.Larkmarn1 (talk) 21:54, 25 November 2014 (EST)

I don't see that those examples are at all analogous? Soundwave is labelled as part of a "Cybertron Collection", and that Sharkticon is just a repackage of an existing toy. Strafe and Grimlock are part of an assortment which is described as "Classic" (the same descriptor used for G1 guys on the AOE Evolution 2-Packs' packaging, by the way), and is otherwise full of clearly G1/G2 characters. They are not labelled as AOE, and the franchise-less style of packaging they do have has been used exclusively for G1 character toys. They use G1 (or G1-esque) packaging art that someone has gone to the trouble of cropping and recolouring from comic covers, rather than using stock AOE packaging art (and we know it's not a case of them wanting stuff that looks more like the toys, since they happily used stock AOE Grimlock art on Walmart's Legion Grimlock). The only things linking them to the AOE characters are their colours and the name Strafe, and Hasbro almost certainly doesn't have "Swoop" trademarked still anyway. And I wouldn't put much stock in faction symbol styles. Them being inconsistent isn't exactly unheard of... Jalaguy (talk) 10:24, 26 November 2014 (EST)

I agree this might be a stretch to call the toy in question "G1 Swoop." Shouldn't we just create a new page for another G1 Strafe? Strafe (G1 Dinobot) to seperate him from Strafe (G1 Technobot) or something? Does the toy have a profile of any kind? The fact that he uses a recolor of G1 Swoop as packaging art doesn't really prove he is G1 Swoop, considering lots of transformers a recolors of each other... I see this more of an instance of a later character being retroactively made into a G1 character. Just like Animated Lugnut was made into G1 Lugnut, AOE Dinobot Strafe has been made into G1 Dinobot Strage. --Ascendron (talk) 10:58, 26 November 2014 (EST)

But the SDCC Dinobots set already used the name 'Strafe' for G1 Swoop... Or would you move that toy to a hypothetical "Strafe (G1 Dinobot)" article too? I think it's pretty clear at this point that Strafe is just the new trademark-friendly name for Swoop. Jalaguy (talk) 11:22, 26 November 2014 (EST)

Seriously...at what point is the wiki going to relent and maybe allow the creation of pages like "Generic Bumblebee toys of 2014, not really meant to be any particular version of the character." We're talking about a line of six small redecos, thrown together on generic packaging, with box art swiped from other toys plus IDW G1 and Prime comics. You could argue back-and-forth for hours about whether they're G1, G1-y Prime, or G1-y AoE toys, but the god's honest truth is "None Of The Above" -- they're just generic representations of recognizable TF character archetypes, hodgepodged together to sell a few more units in a specific market. Bending over backwards trying to fit them into wiki-approved universal stream context seems like a waste of effort. --Xaaron (talk) 11:17, 26 November 2014 (EST)

Hilarious

Okay, so not only is Legends taking stuff straight from here, so are the Loyal Subjects. Swoop's bio is a direct copy of his bio here, and his motto is actually 'Him Swoop have legs that go for miiiiles. [1] skip to 18:36 Avalanche (talk) 13:35, 25 April 2015 (EDT)

ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha ha oh no --ItsWalky (talk) 14:09, 25 April 2015 (EDT)

"Swarp"

The note mentioned that:
"A 1986 Panini stickerbook sold in Belgium and the Netherlands gave Swoop the alternate French language name "Swarp". Whether this name was used in any other media made for French-speaking regions is unknown."
Meanwhile, down at the bottom of the page, the Foreign Names section mentioned "Japanese: Swoop (スワープ Suwāpu)".
The issue is that スワープ romanizes as "Swarp," not "Swoop." The Romaji "Suwāpu" is correct -- the Japanese katakana really does say "Swarp," not "Swoop." (The katakana for "Swoop" would be スゥープ, which is a very awkward concoction for Japanese and would read more like "Soup", so I can understand why they changed it.)
It seems pretty clear, then, that the 1986 Panini stickerbook sold in Belgium and the Netherlands was using the Japanese name.
I've changed the errors/issues on the page. I hope this is O.K. Greboguru (talk) 16:56, 7 February 2017 (EST)

How the heck would writers in Belgium/the Netherlands in 1986 know about Swoop's Japanese name? --abates (talk) 19:28, 7 February 2017 (EST)

Telephone calls? Letters? Faxes? I don't know. Whatever the case, it sure seems clear that that's what happened... seeing as how Swoop's Japanese name IS Swarp.Greboguru (talk) 21:01, 7 February 2017 (EST)

Not taking sides, but even if it is coincidence it would seem to be interesting enough to be mentioned. --Khajidha (talk) 21:23, 7 February 2017 (EST)

Takara fudging the Katakana to sound better does not make his name "Swarp". Saix (talk) 04:19, 8 February 2017 (EST)

Oh yeah, we even have a note on Engrish about it. --abates (talk) 05:31, 8 February 2017 (EST)