Talk:The Transformers: Regeneration One

Relationship to Marvel UK-only stories?

In the entry for issue 81 on this wiki, we're told that, for the purposes of this title, the UK-only stories don't count. A source is cited [1] in which Simon Furman says "There are no direct follow-ons from UK stories in RG1."

Now, this to me seem very ambiguously worded - I don't think this is enough with which to conclusively state that the UK stuff 'never happened'. For example, "Matrix Quest" doesn't directly follow-on from "The New Order", but is generally assumed to have taken place within the same fictional universe. I doubt Regeneration One will be 'directly' following-up on, say, "Showdown", but that doesn't necessarily mean that "Showdown" suddenly becomes non-canonical.

I know that Sandstorm and a bunch of others died in the UK-only "Time Wars" (which may lend credence to the UK-doesn't-count theory), but then again, since when has death been a barrier to making a comeback appearance in this franchise, eh?

Also in the entry for Issue 81, it's listed as an error that Kup can recognise Galvatron (since they never met in the US comics). But if you take the UK issues into account, they met in "Target 2006". Hell, Galvatron was on Earth in the 80s & 90s so often in the UK strips, that I'd be surprised if any Autobot hadn't been trained to recognise Galvatron on sight.

My point is that, maybe we shouldn't hang too much on a vaguely-written forum post and maybe wait until there's some strong evidence either way in the comics themselves.

Just to point out, I'm not pro- or anti-UK at this point; I just think we should maybe hold out a bit before making such sweeping statements.

And, to be fair, I'm not sure it matters much anyway, given that the 'Earthforce' stories are such a continuity trainwreck and we keep UK stories in italics anyway to identify the divergent story-arc... so maybe I'm ranting about nothing here!

But I do think we can afford to be a bit more fluid in the current policy regarding these comics, and that we should avoid such 'UK stories don't count'-style remarks on future entries until all this is cleared up. Cheers!--Ryan Frost 15:39, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

Aaaaaand... just a short time after I post this, MistaTee adds the note to say this definitely isn't part of UK continuity. Maybe this needs some discussion in the community portal?--Ryan Frost 17:18, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

Somethings line up. Some things don't, like who's still alive. There's a heckuva lotta dead Wreckers walking about, for example, and some Deluxe Insecticons who should be dead. --ItsWalky 18:58, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

Here's some info from a January post on Simon's Blog:

1) primalscream says: Interesting that the Wreckers are to be included – are these perhaps the survivors from Marvel UK or a whole new team? simon furman says: The Wreckers are kind of classic Wreckers. Though I don’t want to get into another G2-style debate, we’re using elements of the Marvel UK storyline but not the stories themselves. As far as the US Marvel (now IDW) series goes, this is (technically) the Wreckers’ first appearance.

2) Danforth had this to say:“I’m saying the continuity splits into two parallel universes after Marvel #80: one contains G2 and one contains Regeneration One, and like all split universes, things will be common to both.” Simon sez: Which pretty much sums up the G2 situation as far as RG1 is concerned. Thanks!

3) Sean says: Question, I’m confused about your Wreckers comments above. Do you still concider the the UK and US stories as one continuity? You say the wreckers will mostly be classic, but most of em were killed by Megs and Glavatron in Time Wars. simon furman says: Again (see previous reply), we can’t assume that US readers are conversant with the UK stories. So again, they’re a source of texture, and — in the case of the Wreckers — a character! When we introduced Galvatron in the US series, back in #67, we had to make him a different Galvatron to the one in Target: 2006 et al, because at the time there was little if no access to the UK issues. That’s our same rule of thumb here. We can’t assume everyone knows those stories, and RG1 is, first and foremost, a continuation of the US series.

4) Sean says: I think I understand. The UK stuff was always it’s own beast written so that it fit with the continuity of the US, but didn’t necessarly have to be required reading for US readers. So basically this will be Magnus and Galvatrons first meeting, correct? Will you throw in a nod to the UK fans who know it’s their 3rd fight? Maybe a look from Magnus that reads,” Oh no, not him again.” I guess you can’t because that means you’d assume that readers would know that Magnus had met a Galvatron before. No big deal to me though. I’m happy with the Wreckers returning unscathed. A continuity issue like that can be just written off as them being rebuilt. simon furman says: It’s almost a given that when (not if) Ultra Magnus and Galvatron do meet up, I’ll be littering their encounter(s) with little nods to past encounters (that didn’t happen). Different Galvatron too. US Galvatron was poached from an alternate dimension by Unicron’s lackeys, Hook, Line & Sinker.--MistaTee 21:42, 2 August 2012 (EDT)

Thanks MistaTee, that clears things up, I think. Cheers for posting - much appreciated.--Ryan Frost 08:30, 3 August 2012 (EDT)

You know, I do admit I have not read Regeneration One, but the reviews of it have been quite mixed to polarizing to say the least, so do you think that (reflecting both sides of the argument over Regeneration One) it needs to be mentioned in the article? as well as the fact that it's sales have heavily declined over it's course of time?Go(toby070)Bots (talk) 17:47, 10 May 2014 (EDT)