Talk:Time Wars

Every time I saw that image, I felt like I had to give it that caption. I decided to finally just do it. Change it back (or to something new) if you don't like it. --Andrusi 18:38, 8 February 2007 (UTC)

Issue Names

I call shenanigans on the issue names. Just because that's what the "next time" says, does that mean that that's automatically the issue title?--Jimsorenson 00:08, 3 June 2010 (EDT)

Target: 2006 style?

Time Wars, unlike the city of fear and Fallen Angel storyline, of being considered one issue. But it is 7 isues worth of stuff, and I think it deserves to have little summaries on individual issues likes the Target: 2006 article.

Soundwave and the Terrorcons

Which future should they return to? Their own that they had previously left or the revised future that Rodimus Prime and the other five Autobots travel to? There's no definite answer here since its not shown either way so all we can do is speculate. They left moments before the time rift occurred so its possible that regular time travel mechanics are still in place, unaffected by the time rift's repair to the damaged spacetime framework. 95.148.10.183 17:45, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

It is as you say. It should be the time they left from. Time travel back and forth should be working fine at that point. The revised future only comes to exist due to Cyclonus and Scourge being taken by the time rift. Everyone else, including Galvatron, followed the rules of mass displacement. I like to believe that the pre-revised future still exists alongside the revised future. Only in that timeline, Rodimus Prime, Ultra Magnus and the others don't return to the time they left, but also neither do Galvatron, Cyclonus and Scourge. Bass X0 (talk) 16:16, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Rodimus later called it repairs but there are hints in Time Wars itself that the future is already being altered by Galvatron's actions even while the rift is still open, due to him taking different actions from what he remembers Megatron doing. More subtle is the character development of Megatron. The intention of Time Wars and The Fall and Rise of the Decepticon Empire. seems to be that Megatron has come out of the whole Galvatron situation a significantly changed bot, determined to avoid repeating past mistakes that ended in madness, not only past mistakes but also future mistakes that led to Galvatron's isolated destruction. Thus the Galvatron in Aspects of Evil is the natural progression of the Megatron at the end of Decepticon Empire. So Soundwave and the Terrorcons could well have found themselves arriving back in the revised timeline with a different Decepticon leader in power.

(The later Straxus construct retcon throws a massive spanner in all this (and leads to endless debate over which Megatron became which Galvatron), but that was not what was intended in the first half of 1989.) Timrollpickering (talk) 07:21, 12 May 2024 (EDT)

Death

So, what is the casualty count in Time Wars, anyway?108.25.0.61 21:21, 1 August 2011 (EDT)

I second this question ZeroSD 03:14, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Well, off the top of my head; Battletrap (though he got better in the US comics), Flywheels, Venom, Chop Shop, Topspin, Twin Twist, Roadbuster, Sandstorm, Rack 'n' Ruin (depends if you count them as one or two 'bots), future Ultra Magnus (maybe, it's heavily implied but not confirmed), Galvatron (sort of, he returns in "Aspects of Evil" though whether it's the "same" Galvatron is debatable) and Scourge (who throws himself into the time rift and is never seen again). --Emvee 05:15, 3 December 2012 (EST)

Battletrap didn't die. There is nothing to suggest that future Ultra Magnus survived. And Aspects of Evil Galvatron doesn't have the memories or experiences that the Galvatron in the post-movie UK stories has, so he should be counted as a seperate version. In the same way how Rhythms of Darkness Galvatron isn't the same one either. Scourge and Cyclonus should exist as seperate versions in the revised timeline. Bass X0 (talk) 16:25, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

You're replying to conversations that were from a couple years ago. Escargon (talk) 16:30, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Yes, I am fully aware of that. Does it really matter? Bass X0 (talk) 17:59, 25 September 2014 (EDT)

Scorponok's head

"Why didn't Scorponok's head simply transform back into Zarak after being captured by Highbrow?"

I'd argue that this was to do with how his head was removed. Highbrow says something to the effect of "can't be pleasant separating without the correct mental commands". I assumed that Zarak was unconscious/in a coma as a result of the violent separation. Is that supported enough by the comics to remove that as an error? LiamK (talk) 07:22, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I assumed that explanation was explicitly canon. Is it not? --ItsWalky (talk) 09:45, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

I annual has Highbrow theorizing that the forced separation has caused both Zarak and Scorponok to black-out. It's pretty logical to assume that they're still unconscious for that reason, especially as it's hardly likely that Highbrow will have done anything to rectify the situation. I'll remove the error. LiamK (talk) 12:17, 9 October 2015 (EDT)

Prime present and future

Rodimus Prime isn't really Optimus Prime's future self. Optimus Prime and Rodimus Prime in the same era should not cause a time disruption despite what the two Primes believe (Rodimus Prime and Hot Rod, however)... Apparently it is actually caused by the two holding the Matrix simultaneously. Though, Optimus doesn't have the Matrix, as it is with his other body on VsQs, a fact that won't be revealed for several issues. Head hurt yet?

I've got a feeling this may be a vestige of an early idea that a Prime isn't just carrying the Matrix but is somehow fused with the essence of Primus such that each is sort of the same being in a new host. Note that back in issue #151 when Rodimus entered Unicron's mind the latter addressed him as "Primus! Back for the rematch?" as though it was his ancient enemy himself who had shown up and there's the complication of the Matrix originally being an energy force within a mind rather than the physical object from the cartoon (and again in #151 the events only make sense if the Matrix is working through Rodimus's mind when he's out of his body). And Space Pirates had shown Rodimus Prime to not be Hot Rod grown up but rather a boy with a magic talisman who reverted as soon as it was taken away. As with a lot things in Times Wars it's complicated by later stories going in a different direction. Timrollpickering (talk) 10:02, 14 December 2025 (EST)