Talk:Transformers (2010 toyline)

Disambiguation

Uh, the 2007 line was also just "Transformers". And so was the latter end of the original toyline. —Interrobang 19:25, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Yeah, if we're following this line of naming, this has to go at Transformers (2010 toyline), akin to Universe (2008 toyline). --ItsWalky 19:36, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Separate movie and non-movie figures?

Shoudl we separate the Movie and non-Movie figures apart so as to not confuse which characters are and aren't Movie ones? Like, perhaps put all those under the "Hunt for the Decepticons" subline in one list, and those that aren't in a second list. Or, if that's too much trouble, then perhaps we could somehow label those that are Movie/HftD figures to identify them? --Sabrblade 19:15, 7 March 2010 (EST)

At the moment, I think all of them are under the HftD subline so far, but that'll likely change when that promotion is over. And, man, IF we could separate these guys by continuity, that'd actually be really great, and I wouldn't be pulling my friggin' hair out. But we really don't know, besides the Obviously Movie Guys Because They're In The Movie. --ItsWalky 19:17, 7 March 2010 (EST)

Heh, got it. Hasbro sure loves "toying" with us, don't they. --Sabrblade 19:22, 7 March 2010 (EST)

There ARE guys with Movie-style symbols and guys with normal-style symbols, but just like in previous lines, the factory isn't always really great with giving toys the desired one 100% of the time. So that's... really gray. --ItsWalky 19:26, 7 March 2010 (EST)

Really, REALLY confused...

How is a toyline that is "a general celebration of Transformers" (ie THIS one) different from one that "aims to recreate older Transformers characters as new toys and celebrate the history of the brand" (Generations)? Is there ANY possibility that this is another case of Speed Stars/Action Fleet type confusion? Are we talking about the same toyline with two different names here? Khajidha 10:36, 10 March 2010 (EST) (on a borrowed computer, forgot to log in)

I presume this is like Transformers Universe 3.0, except now Movieverse Transformers will be part of the lineup (if you're confused now, Khajidha, wait until next year when the next movie comes out. Hoo, boy). - Zadok Rox 14:24, 10 March 2010 (EST)

Just calling it the way Hasbro did at Toy Fair 2010. We took notes. Well, Sipher took notes. But I copied them. --ItsWalky 14:58, 10 March 2010 (EST)

The other part of that is the Generations line is Deluxe class only- any "classic" Voyagers or Ultras will probably show up in this line, whereas in 2008 they would have been part of Universe. --129.116.80.237 10:40, 26 April 2010 (EST)

This is of course even more confusing now that Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks are in this line, and not Generations, despite being Deluxe class.--63.246.176.159 01:15, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

This Fall?

Does this line starts this fall?, --Eagc7 18 March 2010

Tracker Hound

Isn't "Tracker Hound" just "Hound" with a random adjective added, like "Fireburst Optimus Prime" and "Cyberfire Bumblebee"? - Starfield 10:57, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

OK, thinking about it some more, I'd say "Tracker Hound" is obviously "Hound" with a random adjective added. And since Hasbro only adds random adjectives to the names of established characters, this Hound must be an established character. Which established character? There is only one real choice in this case, the Hound he is redecoed from (which is usually when Hasbro adds a random adjective) so I'm gonna say he is Hound (G1). Any objections? - Starfield 11:33, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

Your logic seems flawless.--Jimsorenson 11:38, 5 May 2010 (EDT)

I know this is an old topic, but seeing how that the Legends class Optimus, Megatron, and such are linked to the G1 version, I'm going to change Tracker Hound from the 2010 version to the G1 version. If anybody objects, they're free to change it back. But if it's agreed that Tracker Hound is G1 Hound, then I suggest that the Hound (2010) article be deleted. - Zadok Rox 13:25, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

I do not object. I'll put up the merge tag on Hound (TF 2010) to see if anyone else objects. - Starfield 01:29, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

I also do not object - I mainly moved it because, at the time, this line had no G1 character toys, but now it does (due to Generations being Deluxe-only). --FFN 02:08, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Good call, Starfield. I was thinking the article should be deleted, but a merger would be better. And thank you, FFN. Hopefully Hasbro will look back on the idea of having a one-size-class sub-toyline and not do it again. - Zadok Rox 09:12, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

Maybe Hasbro needs to keep using the Series labeling from Universe (2008). --Khajidha 10:33, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

That would be nice for us from the Wiki standpoint as we want to catagorize things, but I think Hasbro may have realized that if they don't specify a continuity for a toy than maybe everyone will imagine it could be part of their preferential continuity and buy it, rather than being turned off by it being offically part of something they don't like, such as the Movie Cont. Fam. or whatever...--ZacWilliam 10:41, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

I think that is a mistake in the long run. I don't think kids' imaginations work that way. If they could be... whoever, they really aren't anybody at all. - Starfield 11:50, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

I never cared much as a kid, once it was out of the package it was who/whatever I wanted it to be. In fact, I'm still that way.--Khajidha 12:00, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

First Real Edit

Hi. I noticed this page was missing the figures revealed here. [1] So I added them. This is my first time trying to add to a page so telll me if i did it right ok?--Fredbob 17:29, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

You're technique seems to be sound, but I don't know if a supposed Walmart listing (for which there is no link to despite the fact the list is posted on TFW2005.com's website) is solid evidence enough to warrant posting on this wiki. If you, Fredbob, suggested that Grapple could be a retool of Universe (2008) Inferno, you may want to refrain from such speculation and post them in the Community section (note the Navigation list on the top left of this page). - Zadok Rox 19:55, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

If it should to be deleated thats fine--Fredbob 20:19, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

Hasbro's Masterpiece Grimlock

In package images of Hasbro's Masterpiece Grimlock show it to in packaging under the simple "Transformers" name (like all the other products in this toyline). But, the deep red color scheme of the packaging matches that of the Generations line instead of the yellow in this line. To further complicate things, the cross-sell advertises the Leader Class Optimus Prime figure (the one with hooks and the Buster OP mouthplate-less head), which is in this toyline. So, which toyline would this figure belong in? The brand and cross-sell suggest this toyline, but the color scheme and history with Starscream and Skywarp suggest the Generations line. --Sabrblade 14:18, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

Power Core Combiners?

So, if the PCC toys are a subline within the franchise, per the description on their page...shouldn't they be included somewhere in the list here? I'm in the middle of something right now, so I can't do more than make a note of it, but I can try compiling the names and links into a subsection later today.--Apcog 10:14, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

Hasbro seemed to indicate at Toy Fair that Power Core Combiners are their own franchise. --ItsWalky 11:45, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

Well, Hasbro's specifically vague words are even more weird as of late. Interpreting what the hell they're saying in regards to what-fits-where is getting trickier and trickier. Honestly, I'm inclined to treat PCC as a 2010 subline. --M Sipher 11:49, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

Own franchise or own toyline? It's getting to the point that you need to have a definition of terms session with Hasbro before you can communicate with them. --Khajidha 12:16, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

Fictionally they seem to be in-continuity with other characters from the 2010 franchise in the post-ROTF live-action continuity. - Starfield 12:59, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

Axor

Has it been comfirmed that he is a Repaint/Remold of Lockdown (ROTF) yet?--Fredbob 18:59, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Well he's shown up in Hasbro's online game and his altform there is clearly a white lockdown. So that seems to be a big though implied yes. --ZacWilliam 20:36, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Should that be added to the articl then?--Fredbob 21:06, 14 June 2010 (EDT) I assume yes as well as these new pics[2] mean its fine to add.--Fredbob 23:49, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

Character information

How has this site gotten info on the new characters? It says here that the toys haven't been released yet, so are the bios available online or something? Item42 07:10, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

They might be. If anything, BotCon 2010 might be displaying the new toys with their packaging (which should have their bio on the back). - Zadok Rox 07:45, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

Random anon people and new members removing coming soon tags

So, have these toys been given a wide release in North America yet? Because it's mostly anons and new members who don't know the rules who tend to remove these coming soon toy tags. --FFN 09:18, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

I haven't seen any this week. My Target store had some slim picking of the ROTF line. Meanwhile, two of the local Walmart stores had a good number of ROTF toys left (sales seems to be very slow for the Deluxe and larger classes at one of them). - Zadok Rox 12:16, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

Haven't seen them in my neck of the woods either. Course, we seem to be a little behind anyways. I still haven't seen Mindwipe, and we have 3 WalMarts, a KMart, a Target and a TRU. --Khajidha 12:24, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

I just checked Toys 'R' Us' website and they have Wave One of the Scout and Deluxe classes in stock (didn't go through the whole listing; got to get ready for work). - Zadok Rox 12:47, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

"Archer's clarification"?

Please elaborate. - Jackpot 15:04, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

He implied that the TF2010 franchise is generic Transformer stuff that is packaged and sold to retailers as being live-action movie stuff. Generations is a Classics-sorta line that helps grant Transformers additional shelf space by being a separate line. That's the difference between the two lines, since it was kinda fuzzy before. I don't really think it changes much. We're certainly not gonna move anybody in the TF2010 line to the "(Movie)" disambiguation, because "(TF 2010)" is still the franchise of origin. --ItsWalky 15:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I asked him why there was both a Generations package style and a 2010 goldbox style if they were both supposed to have the same internal conceit: representing characters from all throughout the history of the franchise, not bound by any singular storyline. He said it was to make retailers happy, because they were more interested in giving shelfspace to a toy from the blockbuster movies than one from, quote, "a comic book from 20 years ago". He said that as far as he was concerned, some of the offscreen movie / goldbox toys were really "supposed to be" Generations, particularly Bludgeon, but, again, retailer considerations are a big deal. --Thylacine 2000 15:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Cool, thank you. I'm actually in favor of pushing the 2010 stuff as far into the Movieverse as we can, but I don't know if the pebbles we've collected so far have added up to the necessary avalanche yet. We've got the aesthetics, the reference to RoTF Devastator in PCC, and now the behind-the-scenes marketing... am I missing anything? - Jackpot 15:21, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

So basically, any 2010 characters are from the Movie-verse unless specifically stated otherwise? --Khajidha 16:39, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Depends. Is "Stated otherwise" via author intent or by what's presented in fiction or the bios? For example, Bludgeon was stated to be a Universe toy by intent, but he shows up in Cyber Missions to fight Movie Ironhide, placing him squarely in the live-action universe. The same for Sea Spray, but his nemesis according to his packaging is another movie-verse dude. --ItsWalky 16:47, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I was going by fiction. Also, did anyone think to ask about how PCC fits into all this? Is it a completely separate franchise (like when Animated and Movie were being sold at the same time), a separate toy line in the same continuity as 2010 (like Activators or Fast Action Battlers) or a subline within the 2010 line with a unified packaging call out (like Powerlinx Battles during Energon)? --Khajidha 17:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I don't know about BotCon, but within the PCC fiction, Devastator is used as an example of the gestalt process, which eliminates the individuality of the components and produces a monster. That's a pretty clear reference to the RoTF Dev, but beyond that there's no other evidence that I know of. - Jackpot 17:08, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Hm. I wonder how many 2010 characters we could tie to the movieverse, especially given the little chains of association formed by the this-guy-totally-hates-that-guy relationships in their bios. And then I wonder how many of these characters can be established as NOT-movieverse. The only one I can think of is Masterpiece Grimlock, by dint of being seriously so goddamn G1 it hurts. - Jackpot 17:08, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Do we have any indication that Crankstart is a movie guy? Maybe he exists in multiple universes, just like Seaspray. Chip 23:38, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Where do the G1 Legends you saw at BotCon fit? They're obviously G1 characters, but Generations doesn't have a Legends assortment. Do we wait for bios and presume (in the meantime) that Legends Sandstorm, Tracker Hound, Scout Windcharger and Voyager Grapple are "TF2010" characters instead of G1? --FFN 23:04, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

The poor Legends guys won't get bios and probably won't appear in fiction. But if you take the "Legends" moniker seriously, they are probably intended to be legendary characters, not nobodies. Plus "Tracker" modifies "Hound". So "Tracker Hound" is a modification of "Hound". "Tracker Hound" is "Hound" modified. G1!

I'm trying here. Give me points for creativity. - Starfield 23:24, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

If the Hunt For The Decepticons promotion lasts until the third movie line starts, would it be fair to say that Hunt For The Decepticons is this line's name? How long is the promotion intended to last for if not? 95.148.9.154 08:13, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

Faction symbols

Do they toys use movie-style insignias or regular ones? Maybe it's worth mentioning in the article, since it might give some hint regarding continuity family.

I am not suggesting that insignia styles be used to identify continuity family. Just that pointing it out might help reduce the confusion (or make it worse).

Item42 13:38, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

A lot of them use regular ones, but I don't know about all of them. Even Night Ops Ratchet has a regular symbol. On the character pages some of the new characters use regular symbols for icons and some use movie symbols. What should be used on character pages? Should the icon reflect what is on the toy? Or should we use a movie-style symbol for live-action characters regardless of the toy? Or maybe it was a mistake to use movie-specific faction symbols. - Starfield 22:09, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

I guess that answers the whole "reduce confusion or make it worse?" question with the second thing. Maybe someone should write this into the article. Item42 11:29, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

Gold-box conjecture

Does the color of the packaging have any significance? As far as I understand, some of the un-subtitled 2010 boxes are gold, some are red, and all of the Generations ones are red. Some people seem to want to call all of the red-boxed toys "Generations", but is there any reason to? For instance, these guys are really obviously movieverse. - Jackpot 18:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Obviously Hasbro wants to drive us insane. --FFN 23:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Well, they're Activators; as a side line they may not exactly match up (look at the ROTF Fast Action Battlers, not quite the same style package as "main line" toys). Or "Hasbro wants to drive us insane." --Khajidha 09:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Do we need to lock this page, too?

I have this page on my watch list and most of the changes I've seen recently are the removal and return of Legend-Class G1 toys and Scout-class Windcharger. Usually, it's an unregistered user doing the removing. Do we need to block unregistered users on this page? In fact, should we make it impossible for unregistered users to do any editing? - Zadok Rox 13:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

We should just lock this page for now. Unregistered users can provide valuable contributions and what's more they may register and become valued members. Also, occasionally a few of us won't be able to log in for one reason or other. --FFN 13:54, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Sounds good to me, FFN. - Zadok Rox 15:15, 7 July 2010 (EDT)

Can we lock down this article regardless? These sorts of toy list articles should be locked from anonymous edits from the onset, because people are going to wander in and add toys that have been leaked or IMMEDIATELY remove coming soon tags as soon as somebody posts a picture of the toy on shelves somewhere. --FFN 02:37, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

Slipstream

Where was the activators Slipstream comfirmed? I didnt see it mentioned anywhere before. Which Slipsteam even is it? It links to the disimbaguation page

This confuzzles me as well. Where in the holy hell did Activators Skids, Soundwave and Slipstream come from? An anon's arse? Secret Inside Sources? WHAT?Bobpiecheese 09:13, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

Speed Stars split off?

Hey, since the packaging for this line bears no resemblance to the TF 2010 line, shouldn't it be split off on its own article? --FFN 21:46, 10 August 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, thanks for the insight, guys. --FFN 20:51, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

TakaraTomy Elita-1

What do we do with her? "Autobot Aliance" appears to be considered the same line as this, but Japanese Elita-1 is a different redeco of a different mold. She deserves more than just a trivia note or a "variant" listing behind Hasbro Elita. New section "Noteworthy Japanese-only releases" or somesuch?--Nevermore 11:23, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

Disambiguation?

The articles Transformers (2010 toyline) and Transformers 2010 (toyline) have very similar titles, the only difference is the position of the parenthesis. As a matter of fact, I got confused for a moment the other day when I as searching the Wiki for this year's toyline and ended up with the Japanese version of G1 season 3's toyline.--Nevermore 08:50, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

There is a move proposal to move the Japanese franchise to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010". Should we go with that? - Starfield 09:37, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

This page might still require a disambiguation disclaimer, then, regardless. (Note: "Might". Before I'm being yelled at again.)--Nevermore 11:14, 17 August 2010 (EDT)

This wiki is generally poorly set up for people who who don't know exactly what they're doing or who aren't regular editors (and even then it can be confusing, as with Nevermore's example). --FFN 13:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

Goldbug

Cansomeone show me the Q&A deluxe Goldbug was reaveald in ? I dont remember seeing it mentiond anywhere else.--Fredbob 23:54, 19 August 2010 (EDT)

What Deluxe Goldbug? --FFN 13:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

For a while there was a listing for a deluxe Goldbug retool and redeco of the Alliance Bumblebee (see this edit http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Transformers_(2010_toyline)&oldid=491746 ). It was later removed as it was unsubstantiated rumor. --Khajidha 14:04, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

Mini-cons?

Where do the market-6 mini-cons fit into all this? I don't see any mention of them, upcoming or otherwise, nor the multi-pack which may or may not (noooo!) be released at all. Hida Atarasi 10:38, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

Do you mean the Generations-looking packaging but simply "Transformers" titled single-pack and multipack Mini-Cons that (more or less) came out of nowhere? Apparently everybody on the wiki forgot/didn't care about them. I think given the lack of a subtitle on their packaging, it would be safe to put them into this article. --FFN 13:51, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

I found the market 6 mini-cons in a Hastings. --Terrortron 10:05, 8 January 2011 (EST)

Legends class G1 Ultra Magnus and G1 Jetfire?

An anonymous person added G1 Ultra Magnus and G1 Jetfire to the Legends class list. I'm tempted to remove them (I Googled for any news about these two and came up with zip), but I wanted to make double sure first. - Zadok Rox 22:19, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

He's probably getting confused with the upcoming Kabaya wave 2 that includes Magnus, Jetfire, and Prowl. --ItsWalky 22:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)

Grapple is misspelled Grappel

I can't edit so someone else can fix it.--76.226.221.132 17:18, 28 November 2010 (EST)

We know it's misspelled. That's how it's spelled on the package. --ItsWalky 17:21, 28 November 2010 (EST)

REALLY? Wow. Maybe add a note or something? Because it looks like a typo and confuses weak brained peons like myself.--76.226.221.132 17:22, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Done. --Detour 19:32, 28 November 2010 (EST)

Toyline-wide retoolings

I've recently noticed that ALL the new releases sport a new tooling in addition to the copyright and made in china stamps. It even applies to redecoes, like sandstorm and the mini-cons. C-1063B for deluxes, going as far back as Brawn, and including PCC, as well as voyagers, C-2071A Legends, and C-3138A for the mini-cons.

Also many samples have a case(?) number tampo'd on, the three mini-cons having had a different stamp then another purchased elsewhere. Hida Atarasi 15:43, 3 December 2010 (EST)

Unknown store exclusives

So Desert Decimation and Battle in Space are both out... anyone know which store they're exclusive to? (Desert Decimation has thus far only popped up in Winners stores in Canada) --Detour 09:45, 16 December 2010 (EST)

I got my Battle in Space from Amazon, but from the reports I've been seeing, he's a shared exclusive with the direct market (aka comic shops). --Terrortron 17:16, 16 December 2010 (EST)

Battle in Space is not a Wal-Mart exclusive

During a shopping trip today, I saw the Battle in Space two-pack available for purchase at Target and Toys "R" Us, so the set is definitely not a Wal-Mart exclusive. I'm not sure how best to edit the figure listing to reflect this, though. -- Servitor 2152 18:42, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Man, who the heck put it there? We've never thought it to be exclusive to anything. --ItsWalky 19:04, 15 February 2011 (EST)

That was my fault. It had been under "Other exclusives, store unknown". When I found it at Walmart, I assumed (yeah, I know) it was exclusive to there. I could have sworn it had been corrected by now, though. Again, apologies. --Khajidha 23:15, 15 February 2011 (EST)

Hunt for the Decepticons

I can't remember if there were any 2010 figures that were released before the HFTD promotion began and ain't even near my boxes of opened packaging to check. Does anyone know right off hand? --Khajidha 10:59, 23 March 2011 (EDT)

Market 6 update: Check your local Big Lots!

Just saw new TF2010 product at Big Lots. Unchanged Undermine, unchanged (I think) Wreckloose and what looks like a more realistically decoed Backstop. These are on the red Generations-esque cards and carry a 2010 copyright date. They were not there when I was in Big Lots ~1 month ago, and were right next to new DOTM deluxes (Wave 2). --Khajidha 15:31, 28 May 2011 (EDT)

I put the toys on their Cybertron pages, but now I'm not sure they aren't new characters. Their bios have changed to remove Jungle Planet references, and they their backstory sounds totally different. Backstop was a championship wrestler before the war. "Wreckloose is a throwback to an earlier time in the history of Cybertron, when battle was a mad chaos of..." I didn't read Undermine's. So if anyone wants to move them, it would be fine by me. - Starfield 00:15, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

Yeah, that's the main reason I hadn't added them myself. I'm not really sure where they belong, but unless someone comes up with conclusive evidence they should probably remain on the existing pages. Minimize therbligs and all that. --Khajidha 00:18, 29 May 2011 (EDT)

I am exceptionally uncomfortable treating these releases as the old characters. I only picked up Backstop, but his bio paints him pretty differently than Cybertron's iteration. --M Sipher 18:10, 13 August 2011 (EDT)

Bad links.

Hey, I just happened to notice that the Power Bot links on the page don't send you to the right area at all. Besides that, there seems to be no place for them to even be on the pages that get link there. So if someone can fix that, please do. Because I can tell that's gonna confuse people. Like if they were canceled, that should be pointed out, and if they exist, then there should be the right link for them. Not just sending you to the general toy section of the Transformer that is what they are based on. I would do it myself, but I'm new to this, and not only do I have no clue if they even exist or not, I don't even know where to put the info if I did. Nor how to fix in accordance with this wikis format/ruleset. Beetle Bug (talk) 19:55, 11 August 2021 (EDT)