Talk:Unicron Singularity

Galaxy Force not a sequel?

Galaxy Force is a sequel to Super-Link. How does it fit? they don't care, but it is. The Dark God is Unicron. In Japan, Primus and Unicron are called The Light God and the Dark God. Takara's timelines explain all this. It really has less continuity issues than our dub considering their voices didn't really change much.

"Negative effects"

The last sentence is the best thing ever. Interrobang 22:49, 5 November 2006 (UTC)

Gotta love TFWiki. - ¡Usa El Queso! ^{Complain here} 10:46, 11 August 2011 (EDT)

GF

I edited the GF note, as GF does state the dark god was sealed away in a matrix-type object in the distant past, which is much more specific.

With the information provided in the GF DVD releases, can't we stop denying the obvious and just call the guy Unicron? The only reason I can see for them not saying it in GF is because it was overused in the last two shows.

Origin

The origin of the Unicron singularity isn't given in the article. I was going to write up the origin, but I don't remember which episode talked about it, so it might take me a while to find it. It seems like it was somewhere in the middle. Can anyone give me a hint? - Starfield 21:19, 18 October 2009 (EDT)

That would be "Balance". And the height of the explanation was that Unicron was destroyed and it was created as a result. It was the club comics that explained it was the collapsed form of the star created by Primus at the end of Energon. - Chris McFeely 07:29, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Yeah, and it wasn't called the "Unicron Singularity" at any point in the cartoon, I don't think, so I'm uncomfortable with it being called such in the cartoon section. --ItsWalky 10:41, 19 October 2009 (EDT)

Disambig note

I'm about to get into an edit-war with Interrobang, and here's why: I put a disambig-note on this page, directing to Singularity (disambiguation). I figured that "Unicron Singularity" and "Multiversal singularity" were easily-confused terms, so at the very least we needed to disambiguate those. And if we're going to go there, might as well go all the way. Maybe we should just limit the note to those two articles, I don't know, but I'm baffled that anyone would think we shouldn't have a note at ALL. - Jackpot 04:30, 11 February 2011 (EST)

I'm baffled that you think readers are this stupid. —Interrobang 04:45, 11 February 2011 (EST)

Interrobang, despite the beautiful point you have, I'm gonna have to agree with JAckpot. Aside from the easily confused arguement, readers might just not know that other singularities exist. I've found many a good page to waste time and read out of boredom just thanks to disambiguation pages and links to pages that have similar names.--BlackStarscream 02:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Void

Is the any possiblility or evidence or the possible worthiness of noting a connection between the Unicron Singularity and the Void? Both are Unicron caused and Vector Prime refers to the black hole as the "end of time". Can't get much info on the void because it stretches fan humor to an extreme extent, but its also a nothingness of sorts. Just a thought.--BlackStarscream 02:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

The wiki does not accept outright speculation, sorry. —Interrobang 02:44, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

Ahh I see. I just thought I'd note it since Angolmois and Dark Energon have a similarly speculative connection on their pages. I thought it might at least be decent to add to the Notes section--BlackStarscream 02:43, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

I don't see any similarity between the two concepts at all. One is a pit into which Unicron disappeared into, defeated, and the other is Unicron's ultimate fantasy victory, the culmination of all his plans. One can't possibly be the other. You might as well try to connect night and day. --ItsWalky 02:55, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

As far as that goes this wiki has evidence to the contrary (though I'm not suggesting any outright difinitive connection, just possible connection)

Universe Ramjet's page says "Before, Unicron was only capable of destroying one universe at a time, since he was bound to a physical form, but ironically now that Unicron was dead due to the Unicron Singularity, the Chaos Bringer never had a better chance of true, all-encompassing victory. Since the Unicron Singularity was bleeding through to other dimensions, all Ramjet and Nemesis Prime had to do was use Nemesis Prime's Dead Matrix to kill Primus, and then feed Cybertron itself through the Singularity. This would destroy Primus in every universe, and the Unicron Singularity would replicate itself everywhere, swallowing all creation in the multiverse. Unicron's goal would be achieved, despite (and because of) his death."

Unicron's page says "Unicron will not be sated until his ultimate goal is attained: to bring an end to the annoying creation boasting independence around him, and find peace by becoming the living center of a swirling, infinite torrent of nothingness at the end of all things." Essentially what the Unicron singularity would ultimatly be upon swallowing the multiverse (and its being the result of an energon sun with unicron's in the center forming a black hole). The only difference is that Unicron is apparently dead,which isn't a problem since

"The Dead Matrix, however, was taken by Unicron's servant Soundwave and cast into the heart of the black hole, freeing Unicron's spark, which entered the planet Yst and immediately began to sow chaos and disorder." Since the spark was freed rather than revived it means it was still alive within the black hole and thus we have a swirling mass of nothingness with Unicron at its center.

Finally, Vector Prime's quote within the show saying "As I travelled through the timestream, into what you would call the future, I came upon an impassible barrier. Such things are not uncommon...all great events leave their mark upon the timestream. But as I peered through this barrier... I saw nothing beyond. Only emptiness. And I recognized the black hole for what it truly was. The end of time." Pretty much that's all the basis I have--BlackStarscream 19:46, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

We pointed out the similarity between Dark Energon and Angolmois. We didn't say they were the same. —Interrobang 03:07, 7 June 2011 (EDT)

That was also the point I was making about the void and the singularity. I wasn't trying to say they were the same but similar. Sorry if I didn't state that quite properly.--BlackStarscream 03:14, 7 June 2011 (EDT)