Talk:Ursagryph

Just a stub for now, but I think it would be nice to have all the Prime/Beast Hunters/Predacons Rising Predacons that have a confirmed species name to have an entry on here in the Category:Cybertronic wildlife area. Seems fitting and adds to the bestiary of Cybertron. -Transfotaku —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Transfotaku (talk • contribs){{#if:01:02, August 13, 2013 (EDT)| 01:02, August 13, 2013 (EDT)|}}.

It's not an in-fiction species, though. It's a "real-world" mythological thing, a griffon that is part bear instead of part lion.KrytenKoro 02:04, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Sort of. Googling it doesn't really bring up anything that's not about Grimwing. --ItsWalky 02:19, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

There is no 'real world' mythological 'thing' about an ursagryph. A griffon's a griffon, an ursagryph's an ursagryph. An Ursagryph is OFFICIALLY what Grimwing and Darksteel are, and while they haven't YET appeared in Transformers fiction, it's due to there not being a lot of media created for Prime after they were made. A griffon is an Earthly 'thing' and an Ursagryph is a Cybertronian 'thing'. And just what constitutes 'in fiction' anyway? Official media? Inclusion in the tech spec/bio on the box? Designer intent? The box stating he's an Ursagryph? Are not the toys 'in fiction', or are they merely just 'official'? And besides, looking at all the Predacons, give this one some love....the rest are all generic 'dragon' named, this is a specificly named species. Which is somewhat disappointing, could have added a good number of species to Cybertron. And signing like thiscause don't have a cool sig yet. --Transfotaku —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Transfotaku (talk • contribs){{#if:02:29, August 13, 2013 (EDT)| 02:29, August 13, 2013 (EDT)|}}.

I'm not sure it works like that. I mean, I'm not sure an ursagryph is a form of Cybertonian wildlife, or even a species of their own. That implies there were thousands of ursagryphs running around Cybertron at some point. That may be, or it may not be. It could be that an ursagryph is a species of Predacon like Triceratops is a species of dinosaur, or it could be that the species is "Predacon" and they just have a wide variety of forms, including a few ursagryphs. I tend to think it is the latter, since that is how Transformers tend to work. Transformers themselves are kind of a species and they have a wide variety of forms. Where does the term come from, by the way? Is it on a box, or is it still word-of-mouth? - Starfield 09:10, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

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Yeah, I don't think this needs an article, especially since we don't know anything about ursagryphs besides that Grimwing is one. We don't have an article for the FB-129, say, or Air Hammer's "hammerhead hawk" mode. -LV 09:41, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

It's very, very obscure, but there are results from before Transformers Prime, primarily related to D&D and furry RPs. You gotta filter out the Grimwing results to find it, though.

"In-fiction" would mean that, despite Roulette being designed after Sakuyamon, Sakuyamon does not exist within the Transformers universe.

From Toyfare 2013 article: "Grimwing is an Ursagryph (a combination of bear and falcon), stated to be designer Lenny Panzica's favorite mythological creature." Since we're not also assuming that Lenny Panzica is a Transformers character, I think it's safe to delete this article. He designed Grimwing to match his favorite super-obscure monsterthing, but that in no way implies that ursagryphs are actually a concept within Transformers fiction. KrytenKoro 10:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

There is a little bit of buzz around the term "ursagryph" because of the toys. People will probably be googling it. That might be enough reason to have a page. It doesn't deserve much more content than this page currently has—no fiction section, just the real-world explanation. Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals. Air Hammer was not inspired by a pre-existing mythological creature. As far as a category is concerned, it could be something out-of-universe, like toys. - Starfield 12:38, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

"Sure, Air Hammer is a "hammerhead hawk", but he is a Fuzor fusion of two random real-world animals." I'm curious as to what you think an ursagryph is. -LV 13:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

As part of the Fuzor's backstory, their beast modes are a fusion of to random animals due to a glitch in the formatting system. Grimwing is one creature—an ursagryph. The (real-world) designer was inspired by the ursagryph, not a bear and a falcon separately. An ursagryph is a pre-established thing. - Starfield 14:06, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

I think this page should exist only because it would be the only thing on the Internet that's About Ursagryphs, rather than a handful of offhanded mentions within posts about Grimwing and a furry RPG, and that is funny to me. --ItsWalky 12:49, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

I don't see personally, how the Fuzor argument enters into it. A Fuzor is just a mix of two different real world animal species. There's no "hammerhead hawk" species, a Fuzor is a hammerhead species plus a hawk species jumbled together. An Ursagyph is not a Fuzor version of a Bear+Griffon/Gryphon, it's a Gryphon like entity with ursine characterisitcs to it. I still think also this should remain in the 'Cybertronic wildlife' category - all of Prime's Predacons are stated as being ancient CYBERTRONIAN anima life. Grimwing, Darksteel and Budora aren't taking the form of an Earth being, if both the IDW comics and TV show state the in-fiction truth: Shockwave's rebirthing them as clones, not making Predacons up to design specs of his own. It's a resurrection of the species, of a species upon ancient Cybertron, not a Beast Wars style disguise mode. Besides, it'd be one of the few Cybertronic species that's not named silly. Transfotaku 18:59, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Oh frack, I just read what you said about the box specifically calling Grimwing's beast mode "Ursagryph Mode". That being the case, I think what I said earlier was wrong, and Ursagryph should be considered a subspecies of Predacon.KrytenKoro 19:39, 13 August 2013 (EDT)

Hmm, this makes sense to me. The Predacon alt modes inspired the Earth myths, so the alt modes must be Cybertronian critters. abates 20:10, 13 August 2013 (EDT)