Template talk:MarvelUKcover

A couple of points:

• Since Marvel UK issues often have more than one story (unlike the Marvel US issues), I'm not sure how accurate it is to only list one. Adding a second (or more) is trivial enough, but before I do... how far should we go with this? Only the story represented by the cover? All the original-to-the-UK stories in the issue (i.e., link a Marvel US story on its' first UK printing, but not beyond that unless it's an all-reprint issue)? All the TF material in the issue? Or all the material in the issue full-stop, just with the non-TF stories unlinked?
• Secondly, and perhaps more importantly (& the reason I never made this or {{MarvelUKinterior{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}})... is the copyright tag a fair summation of the situation? I know UK (or more precisely in this instance, England & Wales) copyright law is different from US law, but I don't know how different or how it affects the situation (also, the situation with Marvel UK itself - Panini bought Marvel UK, but I don't know exactly what they got beyond the staff and the licence to publish the titles Marvel UK had licences to).

- SanityOrMadness 19:59, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I dunno. I figured "make it now, it can always be changed later". I don't think it needs all the extra art credits though, considering this one's just for covers, which are usually only done by one person. I only added colours, letters and inks knowing they'd go unused most of the time. - Magnus Maximus 20:15, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I out-and-out didn't bother with them on {{MarvelUScover{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}} - where we had credits for the covers (which was rare, and usually dependent on legible signatures), I just did it as "Cover art by (penciller), (inker) and (colourist)". Thing is though that if you're going so far (in adding inks & colours variables so that you can automate the categories), you have to go the whole hog IMO. Certainly, you shouldn't have "cover art: X; inks: Y; colours: Z". The inker & colourist contribute to the art, so they either get included in the "cover art" credit or the penciller is listed as such (it's why there's a credit for "line-art", to cover the instance where one guy does the pencils and inks, and someone else did the colours) - SanityOrMadness 20:25, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

In that case it'd be better to drop them all. - Magnus Maximus 20:47, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

Okay, but one other thing - the credits on {{art{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}}, {{MarvelUScover{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}}, {{MarvelUSinterior{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}}, {{MarvelG2interior{{#if:||{{{2}}}|}}}} all require the links to be done manually (i.e., the guy entering the template types coverart=[[Artist Name]] rather than coverart=Artist Name) because that breaks down if you want to link to several pages with one credit (e.g., a lot of the Marvel US issues are inked by two guys - [[Ian Akin]] and [[Brian Garvey]] - rather than one), as would the "Images by..." autocategorisation you've set up here... - SanityOrMadness 20:55, 26 October 2009 (EDT)

I don't get what you're saying. All templates break if you fill them in wrong. - Magnus Maximus 12:22, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Plus, we could always use the nocategories field and add in the cats separately if there's a problem. - Magnus Maximus 14:54, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Boiled down to the core then - its behaviour is different from all its' brethren. If we want to make things simple for newbies, they should all act in the same way. - SanityOrMadness 12:39, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

Well, I had the initial idea for the autocat system for the USinterior template specifically. I'm using this one as a kind of prototype to see how the idea goes down and work through the teething problems, but ultimately I think it'd be a lot easier to use this method on the other templates, too, at which point they'll all be the same again. - Magnus Maximus 12:53, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

How would any "autocat" system deal with multiple pencillers/inkers/etc on a single image (e.g., a composite from several pages)? Or the example above where two inkers work on a book, but only one on any given page, and without anything to distinguish the work of one from another? - Mammalian Verisimilitude 22:28, 27 October 2009 (EDT)

I dunno, you tell me. We could have a cat for every name, or we could have it so it only cats each field < once, and if there's more than one name it ignores them all. One particularly good thing about handling it all within the template is that it'd be dead easy to change. The question is: is it worse to credit the wrong person, or to not credit the right person? They're only categories, after all. - Magnus Maximus 01:26, 28 October 2009 (EDT)