User talk:Nhaz
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|}} Two unrelated things may have some kind of vague, remote, tiny, tenuous similarity, but that alone does not a reference make. Please try to avoid grasping at straws.
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Understood. Nothing is ever a reference, Transformers series over the years are completely unique and do not draw elements from each other in any way, especially in the Aligned universe whose aim was stated to be accumulating of all Transformers mythos into a single continuity. Got it.
- There's a difference between "intentional reference" and "vague parallel stemming from the fact that Transformers is a 35-year old franchise and thus various incarnations draw on similar tropes that are common across all forms of media". -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 09:09, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- I'd still argue that those parallels aren't as vague when the tropes are executed under a number of very particular circumstances. Example: Megatron shoots Optimus to death and gloats - obviously not a reference. Megatron stabs Optimus in the back, fires his fusion cannon through Optimus' spark and gloats about his weakness, camera angle is similar - ROTF reference. But if the wiki has another definition of reference, I'll leave it alone. -- Nhaz (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- Except most of the references you've been trying to insert are the former, not the latter. That Starscream "reference" you tried to add to Mini-Con Madness wasn't a case of the creative team making an intentional callback to Beast Wars, it was Aligned Starscream just behaving in-character. It wasn't a reference when you tried to add it three years ago, and it still isn't a reference now. The same is true of almost all the others you've tried to insert. Just because there are vague similarities doesn't make it an intentional reference. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 09:23, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- I see. However, two cases come off the top of my head that I'm still convinced are intentional references: Starscream consuming Dark Energon in Shadowzone (similarities with Terrorsaur in Power Surge include the character himself, the nature and duration of the enhancement, voice change and camera angles). The other is Steeljaw's reaction to Soundwave's plan in Collateral Damage. While "if Earth gets destroyed, I can't rule it" is a staple of Decepticon/Predacon leaders, in this case it is specifically the summoning of a greater entity, and, furthermore, that entity is (planned to be) Megatron himself who did the same thing in the face of Unicron's awakening. I don't believe that would have been just randomly thought up by the writers. Just how concrete must a scene be to count it as a reference? -- Nhaz (talk) 09:57, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- Two characters getting a temporary power up that slightly affects their voice while the camera angles are used for dramatic effect is hardly a reference. That’s a common trope of most action/superhero shows. And if they really wanted to draw those parallels in Collateral Damage, they would have had dialogue that made that callback and drew those comparisons. — Cyberlink420 (talk) 10:06, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- I see. However, two cases come off the top of my head that I'm still convinced are intentional references: Starscream consuming Dark Energon in Shadowzone (similarities with Terrorsaur in Power Surge include the character himself, the nature and duration of the enhancement, voice change and camera angles). The other is Steeljaw's reaction to Soundwave's plan in Collateral Damage. While "if Earth gets destroyed, I can't rule it" is a staple of Decepticon/Predacon leaders, in this case it is specifically the summoning of a greater entity, and, furthermore, that entity is (planned to be) Megatron himself who did the same thing in the face of Unicron's awakening. I don't believe that would have been just randomly thought up by the writers. Just how concrete must a scene be to count it as a reference? -- Nhaz (talk) 09:57, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- Except most of the references you've been trying to insert are the former, not the latter. That Starscream "reference" you tried to add to Mini-Con Madness wasn't a case of the creative team making an intentional callback to Beast Wars, it was Aligned Starscream just behaving in-character. It wasn't a reference when you tried to add it three years ago, and it still isn't a reference now. The same is true of almost all the others you've tried to insert. Just because there are vague similarities doesn't make it an intentional reference. -- Cyberlink420 (talk) 09:23, 15 July 2019 (EDT)
- I'd still argue that those parallels aren't as vague when the tropes are executed under a number of very particular circumstances. Example: Megatron shoots Optimus to death and gloats - obviously not a reference. Megatron stabs Optimus in the back, fires his fusion cannon through Optimus' spark and gloats about his weakness, camera angle is similar - ROTF reference. But if the wiki has another definition of reference, I'll leave it alone. -- Nhaz (talk) 09:16, 15 July 2019 (EDT)