Editing Talk:Till All Are One (Transformers Theme)

==Missing lyrics==
I've listened to all three versions, but I have no idea what Stan's singing in that middle 8 section. Google brings up a load of user-submitted lyric sites that all claim it says "Galaxy's worried they'll retreat", but I don't buy that. Thoughts? Ideas? Can someone maybe try to corner Stan at BotCon this year and ask him? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 03:29, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

Didn't this sort already have approval in 2007 when Hasbro showcased it on their Transformers website and it was the BotCon 2007 song? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 07:17, 22 June 2010 (EDT)

:At Botcon 2011, I appraoched Stan Bush and asked him about the lyric in question. He said the line is "Galaxies roar! Evil retreats," and he *thinks* but is pretty sure that the rest of the line is "to its darkest corner". So, a good majority of the Internet is way off on that lyric. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 13:03, 30 July 2011 (EDT)

==Title==
Shouldn't it be "'Til All Are One", like the CD? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 07:26, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
: The WFC credits sequence uses "Till."  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 08:34, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
::Which is good, since "'Til" is an abortion of an English word. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 18:26, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
:::A till is a cash register, or something you do to ground. :) --[[User:Abates|abates]] 18:34, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Nah.  "Till" in this usage is actually older than the word "until."  It's funny, because it's the first thing I ever managed to correct a teacher on.  In first grade, the teacher told me I was wrong when I used "till" instead of "'til."  I told her to look it up in the dictionary (but not, y'know, condesdendingly, but defensively).  I won!  I was surprised that I won.  But I musta read it somewhere and copied its spelling. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 18:39, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::Ahhh, I feel all topsy turvy now! --[[User:Abates|abates]] 19:04, 22 June 2010 (EDT)
:For the record, I got the spelling off of the ''In This Life'' album/StanBush.com. - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 03:20, 23 June 2010 (EDT)

==Hasbro and the cons==
If BotCon 1997 wasn't officially sanctioned by Hasbro, why did they get toys and get graced by Hasbro's presence? --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] [http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Till_All_Are_One_%28Transformers_Theme%29&curid=54593&diff=467545&oldid=467418 18:01, 22 June 2010 (EDT)]
:So then why do the BotCon and 3H pages say that it only became official in 2003? Also, [http://www.reocities.com/dairylandtransfans/DTFdairyconfanfics.html Dairycon has had a load of toys], and Hasbro were at [[Hasbro UK exclusive limited Edition Handmade Samples|AutoAssembly 2008]] and are at TFCon this year (and probably a few more), but that doesn't make those cons official, right? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 03:20, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::Dairycon exclusives are mass-produced customs and thus far all TFCon exclusives have been bootleg toys. Even Nightbird is an Animated Arcee modded by a third party. Meanwhile, the BotCon exclusives, ever since 1996, have always been Hasbro molds authorized by Hasbro to be redecoed into exclusive figures. Therein lies the difference. --[[User:Detour|Detour]] 04:13, 23 June 2010 (EDT)
::::That's fair enough, but it still only answers part of the question. But whatever, I really don't care that much. If you guys are saying that there's no discernible difference in the Hasbro/BotCon relationship before and after 2002, and that the decision to not use the word "Transformers" here or anywhere on any of the 3H music albums was a purely stylistic one, and that the best way to explain the situation is to remove all mention of it, then who am I to argue? Do you also contend that Toys-R-Us is basically on par with the Hasbro Toy Shop, because they get given exclusives to sell too, right? - [[User:Magnus Maximus|Magnus Maximus]] 04:50, 10 July 2010 (EDT)
:::I am still waiting for Magnus Maximus to reply to my question about this song being available for download on Hasbro's Transformers site in 2007 and being the BotCon 2007 theme song. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 10:53, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::[http://www.botcon.com/botcon07/guest07-bush.cfm Here's where it says it was the BotCon 2007] theme song. Unfortunately, Hasbro's news post on the 2007-era Transformers.com site where they put up the full mp3 of this song is long gone. But yes, doesn't this suggest that this song was sanctioned by Hasbro 3 years ago and that this article is inaccurate? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 03:34, 5 July 2010 (EDT)