Editing User talk:Derik/2006

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==Storylinks==
Please please please please PLEASE stop float-righting the storylinks.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:34, 14 January 2007 (UTC)
:They look better that way. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 16:52, 14 January 2007 (UTC)

Hey, Derik -- about the audio adventures you asked about last week...  maybe?  Or, yeah.  Looks like yes: Bumblebee to the Rescue, Espionage, Menace at the Dam, and Terror of Mount Sheelah.  I just suck at keeping websites updated.  You know the feeling, I think.  But anyway, I have them already, thanks.  :)

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 01:25, 13 June 2006 (UTC)


Uh... a spoiler template, aside from [[Template:Spoiler]]?

--[[User:Steve-o|Steve-o]] 04:10, 13 June 2006 (UTC)

That's the cutest catboy I've ever seen! --[[User:Crockalley|Crockalley]] 14:30, 31 October 2006 (UTC)
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<H2 style="display:inline;font-size:14px;font-family:arial;">'''[[user:derik|Arbitron's]]''' continutiy is: <span style="color:#ea651d">medium-complicated.</span></H2>

'''Country:''' US / UK (countries he's appeared in in some capacity, if it jumps the english/japanese border it's just 'international')

'''Range:'''
* Generation 1: Marvel: UK (first appearance)
* Generation 1: Blackthorne: #4 <SPAN STYLE="cursor:help;color:green;" title="Events of Marvel UK story">(flashack)</SPAN>
* Robots in Disguise (mention)
* Beast Era: Beast Wars: Wreckers
* Generation 1: Dreamwave: MtMtE <SPAN STYLE="cursor:help;color:green" title="Events of Marvel UK story">(mention)</span>

'''Note:''' Arbitron's deal with Megatron takes place in many different continuities.  Wreckers #4 is his only appearance after these events.

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"Continuity is for beginners." -Scott Page Pageter
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:The problem with that chart is that it tells you so very little that the italicized intro and the table of contents at the beginning of a page don't already.  After all, the table of contents tells you specifically which fiction stuff he's been in at a glance.  There's absolutely no need to tell that information twice.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 04:39, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

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<H2 style="display:inline;font-size:14px;font-family:arial;">'''[[user:derik|Arbitron's]]'''  habitat/ambit</H2>

'''Country:''' US / UK <br>
'''First Appearance:''' Marvel UK

'''Ambit:''' Arbitron's deal with Megatron is referenced in many continuities.  Wreckers #4 is his only other signifigant appearance.

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"Continuity is for beginners." -Scott Page Pageter
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: I've already been arranging the first fictional appearance of a character first in the list of fictions.  (With the exception of [[Unicron]], of course, who's a living ongoing retcon.)  So I'm not sure how needed the "showed up first" thinger would be.  Alpha Trion shows up first in the cartoon, thus "Animated continuity" is his first fiction section.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 05:14, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
:<nowiki>*shrug*</nowiki> I happen to think the absolute mass of continutiy listings for characters, often containing the most minor refs, is... frankly bad.  I further feel it handles the splintered nature of tf badly.
:But then, I think Robotmasters shoudl be a sub-section of Generation 1, because it's set in G1, not its own side-thing.  In short- I think the arrangement of the continuities has meanings, and this 'puttign the first appearance first' can, potentially anihilate those meanings.
:What i liked about muy first pass at this was that it had a '''continuity drilldown'''.  Generation 1 :: Marvel :: US  That's a clear hierarchy.

:We're inconsistent about hierarchy.  I see characters listed as 'Dreamwave Comics Continuity,' with no parentign hierarchy.  (I construe G1 from the italics at the top.)  Dreamwave published in 6 distinct continuities.
:Generation 1 => Cartoon => Redemption Center (Starscrem's amnesiac adventure)
:Generation 1 => Cartoon => RobotMasters - (Air Hunter)
:Generation 1 => Cartoon => Rebirth => Blackthorne #3 - (The Destructons or whatever...)
:Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: Wreckers  - (Fractly)
:Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: IDW - (LioConvoy)
:Beast Era: => Beast Wars Cartoon => Expanded Continuity :: RobotMasters - (Psycho Orb's continuity of origin)
:Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Dreamwave - (Megatron's rename)
:Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Timelines - (MasterColelctor's theft of the disk)
:Beast Era: => Pre-Beast Wars => Wreckers  - (Cryotek is the crimelord who organized the theft)
:Generation 1 => Toyline => Action Master Boxback - (Where Axer started from)
:Robots in Disguise => Expanded Universe - (Where he ended up)
:Generation 1 => Toyline => Action Master Boxback - (Nucleon Quest Super Convoy)

:Generation 1 => Joe Crossovers => TF/Joe Comic - (Nathaniel appears)
:Generation 1 => Dreamwave - (Nathaniel mentioned)


This is a ''really stupid'' system.  But it has a real advantage vs listing '3H Continuity' followed by 'MasterCollector Continuity.'  Here you csn see- "They're both expanded continuities that consider the cartoon cannon for how they operate- but they diverge from that point and do not overlap."

:What I'm gettign to is- hierarchy is important.  Hierarchy conveys information.
:And TF's continuity hierarchy is really, really wierd.  NQSC.
:/Generation 1/JG1/Post-Battlestars/../../Toyline/ Action Master Boxback
:...guh!
:Dont' tell me I'm overthinking it.  I KNOW I'm overthinking it for this- but since TF is clearly hierachical in nature, I'm still gonna fight single-suffixing, because it fails to convey hierarchy.  ^_^ -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:05, 15 June 2006 (UTC)


Wouldn't all this be better served via information within the articles expressly ABOUT the fictions and continuities THEMSELVES, perhaps with a flowchart of the variety presented in the Fun Pulications magazine, than creating some horrible crushing mess in every single character article where such matters frankly are not RELEVANT and creating a massive hidous arbitrary disorganiztion system? --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 06:22, 15 June 2006 (UTC)

:I SAID this was a bad system!

:I still don't think appending series to the end of article title sis a good one either. -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 12:52, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
::I see characters listed as 'Dreamwave Comics Continuity,' with no parentign hierarchy.  (I construe G1 from the italics at the top.) 
:::....yeah.  I know.  That construing is the point.  There's absolutely no reason to specify that it's Generation 1 animated continuity if the top of the page specifically says he's in the G1 continuity.  That's why it's done that way.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:40, 15 June 2006 (UTC)
==Communicating with other users==
For the love of God, use the user talk pages the next time you want to tell another user something. I've already said [[User talk:DrSpengler|Spengler]] on his talk page about image copyrights. This is a better method than expecting other users to look at Recent changes and see you screaming your lungs out over something they didn't know. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:37, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
:Guess you used it already. Never mind, then. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:38, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

: I would consider that 'patiently explaining point by point.'  The flat rock bit is a running gag.

: And yes, I could just put it on his user talk page- but I had to adjust all those images anyway- so why not amuse myself with the memo field?  Otherwise they'd all jsut read 'copyright'.

: Er- consider me duly chastised.  I'll be nicer.  -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 06:40, 7 July 2006 (UTC)
::You seemed pretty agitated, and I felt sorry for Spengler. If you were just having fun, sorry for the misunderstanding. [[User:Singularity|Singularity]] 06:48, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

::: Giving absolutely no tells by which someone listening to me could discern if I was joking is an annoying habit I picked up from one of my ex-supervisors.
::: I eventually realised that he thought people's deer-in-the-headlight responses to his dead-serious black-humored treatment of them was hilarious.  I got tired or guessing and just never took him seriously.
::: He fired me.  Nice guy.  (I mean that last bit seriously, he's a great guy.  GREAT sense of humor.  Not so much fun to be on the recieving end.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 07:00, 7 July 2006 (UTC)

== Image copyrights ==

Ah'm gittin' to it, boy! Just getting the article up first! :) - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 21:49, 8 July 2006 (UTC)

==Matrix of Conquest==

Kudos on the very nice coloring of the Matrix of Conquest. And I really shouldn't have clicked the link in your profile. --[[User:Richardstone|Richardstone]] 08:45, 4 August 2006 (UTC)

== Things that don't exist ==

No, but seriously, that Decepticon Matrix article probably needs to be a redirect of some sort. --[[User:Suki Brits|Suki Brits]] 04:40, 18 September 2006 (UTC)

==G2 Annual==

Yeah, I own the G2 annual. I scanned the profile pages from it a while back, which I think have been floating around the internet. I need to do more with it, but as it's mostly text stories with unrelated images (mainly box art), I lose interest quickly - though I do specifically remember Deftwing showing up and doing stuff.

(There IS a strip story, too, but it's a weird retelling of how the Autobots met the Dinobots...) --[[User:Monzo|Monzo]] 10:06, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

:I have scans of the first third, I loce it.  It's so insane.  (Rakash is the only other person I knwo that owns a copy, abnd her computer bloo'd int he middle of scannign it for me, and now it's in storage someplace...)
:...there's a request to scan the rest of it buried in there somewhere.  (Well, a request to scan all of it- I had the implicit assumption that I'm going to be able to recover mys cans of the first 3rd off my dead hard drive.) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 10:17, 9 October 2006 (UTC)

Note to self:
[[Image:JointronFiesta1.gif]]
[[Image:CrowConvoy1.gif]]
[[Image:TakoTank1.gif]]

== Digimon Savers ==

I shall reply here!

Personally, I think it's got a lot better, yes. The first episode did not exactly grab me - it seemed, to me, to be using in a serious way all those silly anime cliches that Medabots (if you ever watched that) went out of its way to make fun of. In comparison with past Digimon series, which I always felt had a strong "Western" tinge to them, this one is very "Anime," if you know what I mean. Particularly, there's the really quite ridiculous "wise old fisherman who's there whenever you need him to give you an obscure metaphor that coincidentally applies to your current predicament." Ironically enough, turns out the show's being... what is, directed, or... has the head writer of... whatever... of Medabots itself. So I guess it knows what it's doing in that regard. But they've taken that character and made him make a bit more sense recently. And there are a lot of things I DO like about the show. The characters, particularly defied the expectations I had of them when I saw the character designs. I like that they allowed Masaru's family to find out about Agumon right away - their relationship is VERY Ikki-and-Metabee. I like the show's portrayal of the Digital World and human interaction with it, and I REALLY like that they've taken a Gotsumon - a Digimon who has, historically, always been a goofly, harmless, fun little character - and made him into a nasty, scheming bastard. - [[User:Chris McFeely|Chris McFeely]] 22:40, 22 October 2006 (UTC)

==Power Rangers query==
Are you actually the guy mentioned [http://www.grnrngr.com/essay1.html here]? [[User:Interrobang|Interrobang]] 06:08, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

:Yup!  :-) -[[User:Derik|Derik]] 09:06, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

==Derik natters==
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