Editing Talk:Transformers: EarthSpark (cartoon)

== "the series was later announced to be premiering globally on Paramount+ at Nickelodeon's upfront in March 2022." ==

But we are on June? So has the Series already premiered? ([[User:AutoTrooper2801|AutoTrooper2801]] ([[User talk:AutoTrooper2801|talk]]) 15:51, 15 June 2022 (EDT))
:That sentence is probably written badly; it's referring to an ''announcement'' that was made in March 2022; I don't think we have a release date yet. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:39, 15 June 2022 (EDT)
::Oh, I take it back, they said November. Let me edit that in. -- [[User:Dark T Zeratul|Dark T Zeratul]] ([[User talk:Dark T Zeratul|talk]]) 18:42, 15 June 2022 (EDT)

Where’d the new cast list come from? [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 18:01, 9 October 2022 (EDT)
:[https://www.ky3.com/prnewswire/2022/10/09/paramount-nickelodeon-hasbros-entertainment-one-debut-official-trailer-original-animated-series-transformers-earthspark-new-york-comic-con-2022/ An official press release]. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 20:24, 9 October 2022 (EDT)
::Thanks. I assume Hardtop is that guy I’ve been calling Snow Cat for the past month, but we’ll see. [[User:Chip|Chip]] ([[User talk:Chip|talk]]) 11:15, 10 October 2022 (EDT)
==Coverage Can Start Now?==
Like the UK had the entire ep released, is it's safe to say we start the coverage? (And on side note will it be reliable for me to watch and not be abruptly cancelled off to force me on paramount+? I can't find it on my local Nick.)
:The whole season is publicly available on P+ and can be covered here, though all episode and character entries should be spoiler-protected through Dec 11.  As of now I don't think we know of any episodes on Nick after the first two; those may well have been a teaser meant to get more streaming subscribers.  
:Before we really start the entries, though, I think we all need to be clear up-front on the continuity positioning of this show...
{{spoiler|Earthspark season 1|December 11, 2022}}
:This show is a G1 offshoot continuity, as much as [[Regeneration One]] or [[Beast Machines]] or [[Transformers: Last Bot Standing|Last Bot Standing]]. The carry-over characters should be listed as their G1 selves.  I personally think this is obvious, but there should be community discussion / acknowledgment before anyone starts the heavy lifting on a whole season's worth of stuff. --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 15:59, 11 November 2022 (EST)
::Unless this cartoon is explicitly a sequel to preexisting G1 fiction, I'm not seeing the need? Cyberverse was pretty much G1, but we decided then that every major reboot gets separate articles because the G1 wastebasket taxon is overloaded as is. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 16:08, 11 November 2022 (EST)
:::Pretty explicit.  They show a bunch of Sunbow character models and scenery and Sunbow Cybertron and the narrator says "Here's this, that, and the other of our cast members as they looked in September 1984!".   This is not a first-contact-with-Earth, blank slate show like Cyberverse.  Some recognizable permutation of G1 season 1 (and possibly more) happened and was then covered up as events diverged.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 16:20, 11 November 2022 (EST)
::::Except the backstory is VERY different. No Ark, no contact with Cybertron in at least 30 years. No one on Earth knows if Cybertron still exists. And the first contact is touched on with the details on the Transformer War that happened. We just haven't been given full details yet. EarthSpark is doing it's own thing, just giving some nostalgia nods with the G1 flashback images, similar to Animated's war footage and Armada's use of G1 character models, just more explicitly. [[User:ParadoxFactor|ParadoxFactor]] ([[User talk:ParadoxFactor|talk]]) 16:27, 11 November 2022 (EST)
:::::To add to this, the flashback is explicitly framed as a story being told by the dad, a Transformers fan, to his kids. Until we see something that contradicts it, it's entirely probable that the use of G1 designs is a non-literal stylistic choice to convey "this happened back in the 80s".
:::::And on top of that... Continuity families are an organisational tool. We split things out because that's more friendly to new readers. Quibbling over whether the new show with its own backstory should be shoved into the box with the general morass of G1 is, frankly, unhelpful to both casual users ''and'' to our editors. --[[User:Riptide|Riptide]] ([[User talk:Riptide|talk]]) 16:33, 11 November 2022 (EST)
::::::Agree with everything Riptide has said. I'm content to leave this separate under the "Animated episode 1 war footage" precedent. -- [[User:Cyberlink420|Cyberlink420]] ([[User talk:Cyberlink420|talk]]) 16:37, 11 November 2022 (EST)
:::::::I strongly agree with Riptide's second point as a guiding principle. -[[User:AzimuthAcolyte|AzimuthAcolyte]] ([[User talk:AzimuthAcolyte|talk]]) 16:58, 11 November 2022 (EST)
::::::::Riptide said my point in more explicit terms, so seconding the agreement. [[User:Saix|Saix]] ([[User talk:Saix|talk]]) 17:18, 11 November 2022 (EST)
:::::::::''Animated'' is a great counterpoint. So um... yeah, no, what is clearly a pop-culture fantasy sequence filtered through a fictional adult fandork as a wink-and-nod to ''real-life'' adult fandorks is not "proof" this "explicitly" is from the same cartoon whatever. And yes, for the wiki's purposes, massive Hasbro-initiated new "reboot" franchises are treated as new, separate things, even if they're going to circle the drain of G1 aesthetic fordamnever anymore it seems, if only to avoid the clutter of adding a ton more sub-pages to half the cast from 1984-1986. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] ([[User talk:M Sipher|talk]]) 06:25, 12 November 2022 (EST)

::::So why were Netflix WFC (with an ''Allspark'') and IDW19 considered to be G1, but not this?  They've each got a ton of new backstory.  There was just now a discussion of how [[Drag Strip (G1)]] isn't Shadowstrip because of an out-of-universe YouTube interview; Earthspark shows some pretty expensively-rendered in-story commentary that "This is the same Optimus Prime as he looked in September 1984 (*cue re-created Sunbow animation*)."  

::::I agree with the importance of not confusing / burdening our readers.  I hope other editors here see the risk of causing confusion by telling readers to forget what they saw and heard because our own schema is more important.     
--[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] ([[User talk:Thylacine 2000|talk]]) 02:09, 12 November 2022 (EST)
:::: Grimlock exists on Cybertron. Frenzy and Skywarp are girls. The Autobots and Decepticons come to earth via space bridge in 1984 instead of flying here aboard the ''Ark'' and ''Nemesis'' four million years in the past. Elita-1 comes to Earth with Optimus while Bumblebee stays behind. Guys like Hardtop and Skullcruncher are running around on Earth. There's an actual photograph from the past in one of the later episodes where Megatron looks like his present-day self. The flashback is ''very'' clearly a non-literal easter egg being told by an unreliable narrator to his kids and should be regarded in the same way that Optimus Prime watching old G1 clips in ''Animated'' should be. [[User:Grum|Grum]] ([[User talk:Grum|talk]]) 06:44, 12 November 2022 (EST)