Editing Talk:Transformers (2010 toyline)

==Disambiguation==
Uh, the 2007 line was also just "Transformers". And so was the latter end of the original toyline. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 19:25, 15 February 2010 (EST)
: Yeah, if we're following this line of naming, this has to go at [[Transformers (2010 toyline)]], akin to [[Universe (2008 toyline)]]. --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:36, 15 February 2010 (EST)

== Separate movie and non-movie figures? ==

Shoudl we separate the Movie and non-Movie figures apart so as to not confuse which characters are and aren't Movie ones? Like, perhaps put all those under the "Hunt for the Decepticons" subline in one list, and those that aren't in a second list. Or, if that's too much trouble, then perhaps we could somehow label those that are Movie/HftD figures to identify them? --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:15, 7 March 2010 (EST)
: At the moment, I think all of them are under the HftD subline so far, but that'll likely change when that promotion is over.  And, man, IF we could separate these guys by continuity, that'd actually be really great, and I wouldn't be pulling my friggin' hair out.  But we really don't know, besides the Obviously Movie Guys Because They're In The Movie.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:17, 7 March 2010 (EST)
:: Heh, got it. Hasbro sure loves "toying" with us, don't they. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 19:22, 7 March 2010 (EST)
::: There ARE guys with Movie-style symbols and guys with normal-style symbols, but just like in previous lines, the factory isn't always really great with giving toys the desired one 100% of the time.  So that's... really gray.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 19:26, 7 March 2010 (EST)

== Really, REALLY confused... ==

How is a toyline that is "a general celebration of Transformers"  (ie THIS one) different from one that "aims to recreate older Transformers characters as new toys and celebrate the history of the brand" (Generations)? Is there ANY possibility that this is another case of Speed Stars/Action Fleet type confusion? Are we talking about the same toyline with two different names here? [[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:36, 10 March 2010 (EST) (on a borrowed computer, forgot to log in)
:I presume this is like Transformers Universe 3.0, except now Movieverse Transformers will be part of the lineup (if you're confused now, Khajidha, wait until next year when the next movie comes out. Hoo, boy). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 14:24, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:: Just calling it the way Hasbro did at Toy Fair 2010.  We took notes.  Well, Sipher took notes.  But I copied them.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 14:58, 10 March 2010 (EST)
:The other part of that is the Generations line is Deluxe class only- any "classic" Voyagers or Ultras will probably show up in this line, whereas in 2008 they would have been part of Universe. --[[Special:Contributions/129.116.80.237|129.116.80.237]]  10:40, 26 April 2010 (EST)
:This is of course even more confusing now that Special Ops Jazz and Turbo Tracks are in this line, and not Generations, despite being Deluxe class.--[[Special:Contributions/63.246.176.159|63.246.176.159]] 01:15, 30 September 2010 (EDT)

== This Fall? ==
Does this line starts this fall?, --[[User:Eagc7|Eagc7]] 18 March 2010

== Tracker Hound ==

Isn't "Tracker Hound" just "Hound" with a random adjective added, like "Fireburst Optimus Prime" and "Cyberfire Bumblebee"? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 10:57, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:OK, thinking about it some more, I'd say "Tracker Hound" is obviously "Hound" with a random adjective added. And since Hasbro only adds random adjectives to the names of established characters, this Hound must be an established character. Which established character? There is only one real choice in this case, the Hound he is redecoed from (which is usually when Hasbro adds a random adjective) so I'm gonna say he is [[Hound (G1)]]. Any objections? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:33, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
::Your logic seems flawless.--[[User:Jimsorenson|Jimsorenson]] 11:38, 5 May 2010 (EDT)
:::I know this is an old topic, but seeing how that the Legends class Optimus, Megatron, and such are linked to the G1 version, I'm going to change Tracker Hound from the 2010 version to the G1 version. If anybody objects, they're free to change it back. But if it's agreed that Tracker Hound is G1 Hound, then I suggest that the Hound (2010) article be deleted. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:25, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
::::I do not object. I'll put up the merge tag on Hound (TF 2010) to see if anyone else objects. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 01:29, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::I also do not object - I mainly moved it because, at the time, this line had no G1 character toys, but now it does (due to Generations being Deluxe-only). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:08, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::Good call, Starfield. I was thinking the article should be deleted, but a merger would be better. And thank you, FFN. Hopefully Hasbro will look back on the idea of having a one-size-class sub-toyline and not do it again. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 09:12, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::Maybe Hasbro needs to keep using the Series labeling from Universe (2008). --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 10:33, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::That would be nice for us from the Wiki standpoint as we want to catagorize things, but I think Hasbro may have realized that if they don't specify a continuity for a toy than maybe everyone will imagine it could be part of their preferential continuity and buy it, rather than being turned off by it being offically part of something they don't like,  such as the Movie Cont. Fam. or whatever...--[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 10:41, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
:::::::::I think that is a mistake in the long run. I don't think kids' imaginations work that way. If they could be... whoever, they really aren't anybody at all. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 11:50, 31 July 2010 (EDT)
::::::::::I never cared much as a kid, once it was out of the package it was who/whatever I wanted it to be. In fact, I'm still that way.--[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:00, 31 July 2010 (EDT)

== First Real Edit ==
Hi. I noticed this page was missing the figures revealed here. [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-movie-toys--products-30/new-walmart-listings-169408/] So I added them. This is my first time trying to add to a page so telll me if i did it right ok?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 17:29, 15 May 2010 (EDT)
:You're technique seems to be sound, but I don't know if a supposed Walmart listing (for which there is no link to despite the fact the list is posted on TFW2005.com's website) is solid evidence enough to warrant posting on this wiki. If you, Fredbob, suggested that Grapple could be a retool of Universe (2008) Inferno, you may want to refrain from such speculation and post them in the Community section (note the Navigation list on the top left of this page). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 19:55, 15 May 2010 (EDT)
If it should to be deleated thats fine--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 20:19, 15 May 2010 (EDT)

== Hasbro's Masterpiece Grimlock ==

[http://bbs.actoys.net/read.php?tid-481762.html In package images] of Hasbro's Masterpiece Grimlock show it to in packaging under the simple "Transformers" name (like all the other products in this toyline). But, the deep red color scheme of the packaging matches that of the Generations line instead of the yellow in this line. To further complicate things, the cross-sell advertises the Leader Class Optimus Prime figure (the one with hooks and the Buster OP mouthplate-less head), which is in this toyline. So, which toyline would this figure belong in? The brand and cross-sell suggest this toyline, but the color scheme and history with Starscream and Skywarp suggest the Generations line. --[[User:Sabrblade|Sabrblade]] 14:18, 31 May 2010 (EDT)

== Power Core Combiners? ==

So, if the PCC toys are a subline within the franchise, per the description on their page...shouldn't they be included somewhere in the list here?  I'm in the middle of something right now, so I can't do more than make a note of it, but I can try compiling the names and links into a subsection later today.--[[User:Apcog|Apcog]] 10:14, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
: Hasbro seemed to indicate at Toy Fair that Power Core Combiners are their own franchise.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 11:45, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
::Well, Hasbro's specifically vague words are even more weird as of late. Interpreting what the hell they're saying in regards to what-fits-where is getting trickier and trickier. Honestly, I'm inclined to treat PCC as a 2010 subline. --[[User:M Sipher|M Sipher]] 11:49, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
:::Own franchise or own toyline? It's getting to the point that you need to have a definition of terms session with Hasbro before you can communicate with them. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:16, 10 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Fictionally they seem to be in-continuity with other characters from the 2010 franchise in the post-ROTF live-action continuity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 12:59, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

== Axor ==
Has it been comfirmed that he is a [[Repaint]]/[[Remold]] of [[Lockdown (ROTF)]] yet?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 18:59, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

:Well he's shown up in Hasbro's online game and his altform there is clearly a white lockdown. So that seems to be a big though implied yes. --[[User:ZacWilliam|ZacWilliam]] 20:36, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Should that be added to the articl then?--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 21:06, 14 June 2010 (EDT)
I assume yes as well as these new pics[http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/transformers-generations-classics-30-35/high-resolution-images-of-generations-and-transformers-wave-3-assortments-169968/] mean its fine to add.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 23:49, 16 June 2010 (EDT)

== Character information ==

How has this site gotten info on the new characters? It says here that the toys haven't been released yet, so are the bios available online or something?  [[User:Item42|Item42]] 07:10, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:They might be. If anything, BotCon 2010 might be displaying the new toys with their packaging (which should have their bio on the back). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 07:45, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

== Random anon people and new members removing coming soon tags ==

So, have these toys been given a wide release in North America yet? Because it's mostly anons and new members who don't know the rules who tend to remove these coming soon toy tags. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 09:18, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:I haven't seen any this week. My Target store had some slim picking of the ROTF line. Meanwhile, two of the local Walmart stores had a good number of ROTF toys left (sales seems to be very slow for the Deluxe and larger classes at one of them). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:16, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
::Haven't seen them in my neck of the woods either. Course, we seem to be a little behind anyways. I still haven't seen Mindwipe, and we have 3 WalMarts, a KMart, a Target and a TRU. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 12:24, 26 June 2010 (EDT)
:::I just checked Toys 'R' Us' website and they have Wave One of the Scout and Deluxe classes in stock (didn't go through the whole listing; got to get ready for work). - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 12:47, 26 June 2010 (EDT)

=="Archer's clarification"?==
Please elaborate. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:04, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
: He implied that the TF2010 franchise is generic Transformer stuff that is packaged and sold to retailers as being live-action movie stuff.  Generations is a Classics-sorta line that helps grant Transformers additional shelf space by being a separate line.  That's the difference between the two lines, since it was kinda fuzzy before.  I don't really think it changes much.  We're certainly not gonna move anybody in the TF2010 line to the "(Movie)" disambiguation, because "(TF 2010)" is still the franchise of origin.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 15:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:I asked him why there was both a Generations package style and a 2010 goldbox style if they were both supposed to have the same internal conceit:  representing characters from all throughout the history of the franchise, not bound by any singular storyline.  He said it was to make retailers happy, because they were more interested in giving shelfspace to a toy from the blockbuster movies than one from, quote, "a comic book from 20 years ago".  He said that as far as he was concerned, some of the offscreen movie / goldbox toys were really "supposed to be" Generations, particularly Bludgeon, but, again, retailer considerations are a big deal.  --[[User:Thylacine 2000|Thylacine 2000]] 15:15, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Cool, thank you.  I'm actually in favor of pushing the 2010 stuff as far into the Movieverse as we can, but I don't know if the pebbles we've collected so far have added up to the necessary avalanche yet.  We've got the aesthetics, the reference to RoTF Devastator in PCC, and now the behind-the-scenes marketing... am I missing anything? - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 15:21, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::So basically, any 2010 characters are from the Movie-verse unless specifically stated otherwise? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 16:39, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::Depends.  Is "Stated otherwise" via author intent or by what's presented in fiction or the bios?  For example, Bludgeon was stated to be a Universe toy by intent, but he shows up in Cyber Missions to fight Movie Ironhide, placing him squarely in the live-action universe.  The same for Sea Spray, but his nemesis according to his packaging is another movie-verse dude.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 16:47, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::::I was going by fiction. Also, did anyone think to ask about how PCC fits into all this? Is it a completely separate franchise (like when Animated and Movie were being sold at the same time), a separate toy line in the same continuity as 2010 (like Activators or Fast Action Battlers) or a subline within the 2010 line with a unified packaging call out (like Powerlinx Battles during Energon)? --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 17:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::::::I don't know about BotCon, but within the PCC fiction, Devastator is used as an example of the gestalt process, which eliminates the individuality of the components and produces a monster.  That's a pretty clear reference to the RoTF Dev, but beyond that there's no other evidence that I know of. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:08, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::Hm.  I wonder how many 2010 characters we could tie to the movieverse, especially given the little chains of association formed by the this-guy-totally-hates-that-guy relationships in their bios.  And then I wonder how many of these characters can be established as NOT-movieverse.  The only one I can think of is Masterpiece Grimlock, by dint of being seriously so goddamn G1 it hurts. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 17:08, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:::::Do we have any indication that Crankstart is a movie guy?  Maybe he exists in multiple universes, just like Seaspray. [[User:Chip|Chip]] 23:38, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

:Where do the G1 Legends you saw at BotCon fit? They're obviously G1 characters, but Generations doesn't have a Legends assortment. Do we wait for bios and presume (in the meantime) that Legends Sandstorm, Tracker Hound, Scout Windcharger and Voyager Grapple are "TF2010" characters instead of G1? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:04, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::The poor Legends guys won't get bios and probably won't appear in fiction. But if you take the "Legends" moniker seriously, they are probably intended to be legendary characters, not nobodies. Plus "Tracker" modifies "Hound". So "Tracker Hound" is a modification of "Hound". "Tracker Hound" is "Hound" modified. G1!
::I'm trying here. Give me points for creativity. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 23:24, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:::If the Hunt For The Decepticons promotion lasts until the third movie line starts, would it be fair to say that Hunt For The Decepticons is this line's name? How long is the promotion intended to last for if not? [[Special:Contributions/95.148.9.154|95.148.9.154]] 08:13, 11 July 2010 (EDT)

===Faction symbols===
Do they toys use movie-style [[insignia]]s or ''regular'' ones?  Maybe it's worth mentioning in the article, since it ''might'' give some hint regarding continuity family.  {{note| I am '''not''' suggesting that insignia styles be used to identify continuity family. Just that pointing it out might help reduce the confusion (or make it worse).}}
[[User:Item42|Item42]] 13:38, 30 July 2010 (EDT)
:A lot of them use regular ones, but I don't know about all of them. Even Night Ops Ratchet has a regular symbol. On the character pages some of the new characters use regular symbols for icons and some use movie symbols. What should be used on character pages? Should the icon reflect what is on the toy? Or should we use a movie-style symbol for live-action characters regardless of the toy? Or maybe it was a mistake to use movie-specific faction symbols. - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 22:09, 13 August 2010 (EDT)
::I guess that answers the whole "reduce confusion or make it worse?" question with the second thing. Maybe someone should write this into the article. [[User:Item42|Item42]] 11:29, 15 August 2010 (EDT)

==Gold-box conjecture==
Does the color of the packaging have any significance?  As far as I understand, some of the un-subtitled 2010 boxes are gold, some are red, and all of the ''Generations'' ones are red.  Some people seem to want to call all of the red-boxed toys "''Generations''", but is there any reason to?  For instance, [http://www.tfw2005.com/transformers-news/attach/3/9/4/0/7/transformers-activators_1277840741.jpg these guys] are really obviously movieverse. - [[User:Jackpot|Jackpot]] 18:33, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
:Obviously Hasbro wants to drive us insane. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 23:01, 29 June 2010 (EDT)
::Well, they're Activators; as a side line they may not exactly match up (look at the ROTF Fast Action Battlers, not quite the same style package as "main line" toys). Or "Hasbro wants to drive us insane." --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 09:33, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

== Do we need to lock this page, too? ==

I have this page on my watch list and most of the changes I've seen recently are the removal and return of Legend-Class G1 toys and Scout-class Windcharger. Usually, it's an unregistered user doing the removing. Do we need to block unregistered users on this page? In fact, should we make it impossible for unregistered users to do any editing? - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 13:49, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:We should just lock this page for now. Unregistered users can provide valuable contributions and what's more they may register and become valued members. Also, occasionally a few of us won't be able to log in for one reason or other. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:54, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
::Sounds good to me, FFN. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 15:15, 7 July 2010 (EDT)
:::Can we lock down this article regardless? These sorts of toy list articles should be locked from anonymous edits from the onset, because people are going to wander in and add toys that have been leaked or IMMEDIATELY remove coming soon tags as soon as somebody posts a picture of the toy on shelves somewhere. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 02:37, 5 August 2010 (EDT)

== Slipstream ==

Where was the activators Slipstream comfirmed? I didnt see it mentioned anywhere before. Which Slipsteam even is it? It links to the disimbaguation page
:This confuzzles me as well. Where in the holy hell did Activators Skids, Soundwave and Slipstream come from? An anon's arse? Secret Inside Sources? WHAT?[[User:Bobpiecheese|Bobpiecheese]] 09:13, 21 July 2010 (EDT)

== Speed Stars split off? ==

Hey, since the packaging for this line bears no resemblance to the TF 2010 line, shouldn't it be split off on its own article? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 21:46, 10 August 2010 (EDT)
:Yeah, thanks for the insight, guys. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 20:51, 13 August 2010 (EDT)

== TakaraTomy Elita-1 ==

What do we do with her? "Autobot Aliance" appears to be considered the same line as this, but Japanese Elita-1 is a different redeco of a different mold. She deserves more than just a trivia note or a "variant" listing behind Hasbro Elita. New section "Noteworthy Japanese-only releases" or somesuch?--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:23, 14 August 2010 (EDT)

== Disambiguation? ==

The articles [[Transformers (2010 toyline)]] and [[Transformers 2010 (toyline)]] have very similar titles, the only difference is the position of the parenthesis. As a matter of fact, I got confused for a moment the other day when I as searching the Wiki for this year's toyline and ended up with the Japanese version of G1 season 3's toyline.--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 08:50, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
:There is a move proposal to move the Japanese franchise to "Fight! Super Robot Lifeform Transformers 2010". Should we go with that? - [[User:Starfield|Starfield]] 09:37, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
::This page might still require a disambiguation disclaimer, then, regardless. (Note: "Might". Before I'm being yelled at again.)--[[User:Nevermore|Nevermore]] 11:14, 17 August 2010 (EDT)
:::This wiki is generally poorly set up for people who who don't know exactly what they're doing or who aren't regular editors (and even then it can be confusing, as with Nevermore's example). --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Goldbug ==

Cansomeone show me the Q&A deluxe Goldbug was reaveald in ? I dont remember seeing it mentiond anywhere else.--[[User:Fredbob|Fredbob]] 23:54, 19 August 2010 (EDT)
:What Deluxe Goldbug? --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:49, 2 September 2010 (EDT)
::For a while there was a listing for a deluxe Goldbug retool and redeco of the Alliance Bumblebee (see this edit http://tfwiki.net/w2/index.php?title=Transformers_(2010_toyline)&oldid=491746 ). It was later removed as it was unsubstantiated rumor. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 14:04, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Mini-cons? ==

Where do the market-6 mini-cons fit into all this? I don't see any mention of them, upcoming or otherwise, nor the multi-pack which may or may not (noooo!) be released at all. [[User:Hida Atarasi|Hida Atarasi]] 10:38, 21 August 2010 (EDT)
:Do you mean the Generations-looking packaging but simply "Transformers" titled single-pack and multipack Mini-Cons that (more or less) came out of nowhere? Apparently everybody on the wiki forgot/didn't care about them. I think given the lack of a subtitle on their packaging, it would be safe to put them into this article. --[[User:FFN|FFN]] 13:51, 2 September 2010 (EDT)

== Legends class G1 Ultra Magnus and G1 Jetfire? ==

An anonymous person added G1 Ultra Magnus and G1 Jetfire to the Legends class list. I'm tempted to remove them (I Googled for any news about these two and came up with zip), but I wanted to make double sure first. - [[User:Zadok Rox|Zadok Rox]] 22:19, 12 October 2010 (EDT)
: He's probably getting confused with the upcoming Kabaya wave 2 that includes Magnus, Jetfire, and Prowl.  --[[User:ItsWalky|ItsWalky]] 22:30, 12 October 2010 (EDT)