Talk:Size class

This article really needs the MSRPs, not my guesses. I don't exactly know the size classes in RiD, so somebody else has to fill that in. Also, were "Super" and "Supreme" used in Armada? Singularity 22:57, 4 July 2006 (UTC)

Yessir. --ItsWalky 01:02, 5 July 2006 (UTC)

RID uses the same classes as Beast Wars up to Super, but I don't know what Air Attack Optimus Primal sold for.

Done some tweaking. It's interesting to note that Cybertron was the first line to actually have the modern "Ultra" price point officially called "Ultra". --Nevermore 13:38, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

What qualifies for "size classes"?

Was wondering about Deployers and Beast Riders... Are they actually "size classes" in the strict sense? Same for the role-play toys.

And then we would have the store exclusive assortments such as the RiD KB "Destructicons" Scourge & Bludgeon, Energon KB Cyclonus & Demolishor, Universe KB Snow Cat & Downshift, Universe BiaB Magnus/Treadshot & Smoescreen/Ransack and whatnot.

Are "assortments" and "size classes" the same? Because then we would have those one million different assortments from the G1 days, which introduced some of the names later used by the price points ("Autobot Deluxe Vehicles", "Deluxe Insecticons", "Mega Pretenders", "Ultra Pretenders").--Nevermore 17:11, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Go nuts. Can't hurt. Interrobang 17:16, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

I'm not so sure. In G1 and G2, often two or more case assortments would have the same price yet still ship at the same time, such as the Autobot and Decepticon Headmasters and Targetmasters. Plus, the prices weren't uniform between stores as they are now. It wasn't until Beast Wars that all figures of the same price were confined to one assortment . unless you count the Fuzors vs Transfetals in '98, but then it was Basic/Deluxe Fuzor/Transmetals.

How about adding it as a note, then? G1 and G2 were like this... and then Hasbro more or less consolidated uniform price points with Beast Wars, yadda yadda.--Nevermore 21:44, 25 December 2006 (UTC)

Conversion chart?

Can we get a table showing how the size classes convert? -Derik 19:31, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Price	BW	BM	RID	Arm	Uni	Ene	Cyb	Cla	Mov
$4					Spychangers, Micromasters		Legends (3.00)	Legends	Legends
$5	Basic	Deployers	Basic & Spychangers		Basic		Mini-Con
$7		Basic		Minicons (6.50)		Energon	Scouts	Minicons	Scout
$10	Deluxe	Deluxe, Beast Riders	Deluxe	Super-Con	Deluxe	Combat	Deluxe	Classic Deluxe	Deluxe
$15	Mega	Mega	Mega	Laserbeak, Roleplay
$20	Ultra	Ultra	Ultra	Max-Con	Ultra	Mega Combat / Mega & Role-Play	Voyager	Classic Voyager	Voyager
$25				Giga-Con		Commanders / Command	Ultra
$30	Super ($35)	Super	Super
$40		Supreme		Superbase		Leaders	Leader		Leader
$50				Chaos Bringer		Omega	Supreme
$90									Ultimate

Not putting this in the article yet, as it still needs some work. The Armada Mini-cons and Op Op are under pre-existing rows with their prices listed, as having an entire row for a price point that was used in just one line from BW on would just waste space. --FortMax 20:18, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Prices are difficult because they change... this chart treats them lore like a price-point than a size-class.

(I liked the size class system used by the Cybertronian Index, an expanded version of the BW sizes that included every size toy.) -Derik 20:33, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

I think the price point is much simpler and more accurate. The BW Megas are about halfway between current Deluxes and Voyagers (often called Mega class) when it comes to size and complexity. OpOp (Super) is somewhere between current Ultras and Leaders/Supers. BW Ultra toys are about eguivelent to current day Voyagers/Megas. This also fits with the prices. The main exception is the Basic class, has fluctuated some, but the dip from RID is from the class being (aside from Obsidian) nothing but Scramble City limbe and Spychangers. --FortMax 23:48, 24 May 2007 (UTC)

Useful for comparing how things were sold. Not so useful for tellign you how big a toy actually is. How big were mini-cons, which were never sold singly? Price point does not reflect their size.

Fast Action Battlers? Activators?

Do the FABs belong on there? How about the Animated Activators, which are sort of a cross between Legends and FABs?--Nevermore 09:17, 5 March 2008 (UTC)

Movie Ultra Class

What's the exact term used on the TRU Ultra boxes? --FortMax 21:44, 21 April 2008 (UTC)

Omega Class?

There have been reports of an upcoming Omega Supreme toy in the animated line listed as an "Omega Class." Any idea what size that is? Is that the $50 price point, or something... even bigger? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 24.217.142.86 (talk • contribs){{#if:05:51, 2 May 2008| 05:51, 2 May 2008|}}.

As far as I can tell, these are nothing but unsubstantiated rumors so far. As soon as Hasbro says something official, we'll leap upon it like starving chihuahuas sighting a weiner.

Also, please sign your posts, as instructed at the top of Editijng Talk pages. JW 13:54, 2 May 2008 (UTC)

RotW Prices

What about prices for the rest of the world? Are they too varied to be included, or not? Shifting exchange rates will mean that there is probably some considerable inconsistency between $$, ££ and €€... I just bring it up because I saw the first batch of RotF toys in a store today (in Germany), costing €12.99 for Scouts, €19.99 for Deluxes. Yahoo! tells me that that is about 28.30 USD for a Deluxe, which most Americans would probably consider somewhat extortionate... Any thoughts about mentioning this sort of thing? -- pbett, 30th May 2009.

Most Americans think $4 gas is exorbitant too. Enjoy your socialized medicine, we get cheap Transformers! -Derik 14:37, 30 May 2009 (EDT)

Universe Voyager Correction

I noticed that the Voyager listing in (2008) Universe said that Vector Prime and Leo Prime retained electronics, which simply isn't true, and the lack is actually noted on the individual pages that link from the statement that they DO have them. Further, Bruticus (Cyb Scourge) was released under this price point as well. I corrected to reflect the lack of sound effects and went with "several", taking out the links altogether since the toys don't actually have the sound effects that made them worth pointing out in the first place. If that's not adequate, feel free to kick the links back in. Lukeblast 01:44, 23 July 2009 (EDT)

Images?

It saddens me every time I see a page without any images at all. :( If I can make a suggestion: it'd be kinda cool if for each section, we could have an image of one toy of each class (that accurately represents the average size of that class) for each franchise in a line up? For example: For the Beast Wars section, there'd be a line up of basic Armordillo, deluxe Transmetal Rattrap, Mega Inferno, Ultra Tigerhawk and Super Optimal Optimus. --Ascendron 16:41, 4 October 2009 (EDT)

Transformers 2010 toyline (e.g. HftD and RtS) not listed?

Should Transformers (2010 toyline) have a section here? Relevant because non-movie Scouts are still hitting retail as late as 2011, yet none of the tables reflect this. --GrantB 15:03, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

Yes. Nobody just has gotten to it yet. —Interrobang 15:05, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

Maybe I'll find some time to take a whack at it. I guess it'd be positioned before DotM, correct? --GrantB 15:12, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

Yup. —Interrobang 15:28, 15 August 2011 (EDT)

Ten years later, somebody got to it. Foortress (talk) 21:54, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Break Chart In Two?

It might be time to break the chart in two, before it gets too darn wide. Starting a new chart with RotF would make sense, since a lot of prices shifted at that point. We'd be able to remove the $13, $22, $45, and $100 rows from the first chart (and about seven rows from the second one). So:

1. Break chart in two just before RotF.
2. Remove empty rows from both charts.
3. Add a note between the two charts saying, "At this point, many prices went up a dollar or two. We are breaking the chart here for clarity."

Opinions? JW 11:09, 5 March 2012 (EST)

It sounds good to me. --Khajidha 13:40, 5 March 2012 (EST)

I've finally followed-up on this. If someone wants to double-check my work, it's in my sandbox, at the bottom: User:JW/Sandbox. If it looks good, feel free to slap it into the article. If not, I'll do so myself in a few days. JW 10:35, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Done. Now watch, somebody will come and complain now. --Khajidha 15:37, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Complaining? In Transformers fandom? Surely you jest. JW 10:38, 24 July 2012 (EDT)

Generations incorporation

Given the general weirdness involved with Generations (2010: "We're only Deluxes!" 2011: "LOL JK"), are we even going to attempt to add them in somehow? And if so, how? Will it be split between the two iterations of the line, or attempt to just add one section to the chart? Or even have its own chart? --King Starscream 16:16, 4 October 2013 (EDT)

If Generations gets added to this article, Thrilling 30 and Combiner Wars are part of Generations, yes? Thrilling 30 Metroplex and Combiner Wars Devastator belong to the new Titan class. i'm not sure what other size classes or price points are currently in play, so i'll ask someone more knowledgable to update the article as appropriate. --Rhymus (talk) 05:49, 14 February 2015 (EST)

AoE One-Step Changer

That seems very wrong, at least for Steeljaw one-step changer. Was there a one-step changer that was particularly rare?KrytenKoro (talk) 17:02, 2 January 2020 (EST)

Soundwavesoblivion.com is a trustable source for MSRPs in their toy archive. Fixed AoE according to their prices. Foortress (talk) 20:54, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Revamping the chart (again)?

Aside from the general lack of information past AoE, the chart isn't built to hold the newer size classes. Titan falls beyond the maximum, and several other price points fall between the table's ranks. I'm not wiki-savvy enough to try fixing it myself. Foortress (talk) 00:13, 27 May 2021 (EDT)

Move to Price Points?

This page seems like it'd fit better under the name Price Points.

• Newer lines tend to have more unclassed price points (such as packs or gimmick-based price points) that would feel more apt under that name.
• We could add lines like BotBots, which have no size classes (but still have price points)

It just seems like Price Points fits what we're going for better, especially as this page gets updated and reworked. Foortress (talk) 20:20, 13 June 2021 (EDT)

Actual Sizes

I have not had the good fortune of owning a basic-class figure, so this descriptor is mostly meaningless to me, and I imagine I'm not alone. Might this page benefit from approximate height listings for each class? Anyone with a measuring stick and a collection big enough to determine averages could get that done in a day or two. Traachon (talk) 23:44, 3 December 2022 (EST)

Basic class toys of the Beast Era were roughly 4 inches tall from head to toe, give or take a piece altmode kibble. The average height of a Deluxe from both back then and presently nowadays is more or less 5 and 1/2 inches tall. Megas/Voyagers have fluctuated in average height over the years, as have Ultras, Leaders, Supers/Commanders, Supremes, and Titans. --Sabrblade (talk) 00:03, 4 December 2022 (EST)