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| :::Still the autobots never directly mention him at all. Just kind of interesting since every other con's (not counting vehicons) name has been said by the autobots on screen. Just something interesting to point out. | | :::Still the autobots never directly mention him at all. Just kind of interesting since every other con's (not counting vehicons) name has been said by the autobots on screen. Just something interesting to point out. |
| Since sections such as the trivia have been added to already, some points giving spoilers, would anyone like me to write up a synopsis for the episode? [[User:Daughter-of-Myou|daughter-of-Myou]] 05:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT) | | Since sections such as the trivia have been added to already, some points giving spoilers, would anyone like me to write up a synopsis for the episode? [[User:Daughter-of-Myou|daughter-of-Myou]] 05:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT) |
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| == Bulkhead's vulnerability to dark energon ==
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| Bulkhead might be the only one affected because he was never exposed to it before. Optimus, Arcee, and Bumblebee have all been in direct contact with it in previous episodes, Arcee during the encounter with zombie Cliffjumper in Darkness Rising pt. 2, Optimus during the fight with the zombie hoard in Darkness Rising pts. 3-4 as well as when the volcano erupted with dark energon in One Shall Fall, and Bumblebee directly handles a shard when he's under Megatron's control in Out of his Head, (this would also explain his quick recovery when he was hit by Megatron in One Shall Fall). One Shall Rise pt. 2 mentions Megatron building up an immunity, so presumably, Arcee, Optimus, and Bumblebee have developed something of a resistance to its effects as well. Bulkhead has never been in contact with it before, so it affects him far worse than the others.
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| I'm wondering if this should be mentioned in Continuity Notes in place of the Continuity Error entry. [[User:Phryj|Phryj]] 01:37, 12 October 2011 (EDT)
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| :Isn't the whole point of a discussion page to recommend changes? [[User:Phryj|Phryj]] 12:54, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::It is not the place to recommend speculation. [[User:Interrobang|—Interrobang]] 13:12, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
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| :::I understand that. I'm just explaining my reasoning. Bulkhead hasn't been exposed to dark energon in any earlier episodes, and that's why he gets sick from it. [[User:Phryj|Phryj]] 13:22, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::Obviously you don't understand it. Your statement '''is''' speculation. There is no official information supporting it, only your reasoning. --[[User:Khajidha|Khajidha]] 13:24, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::Wasn't Bulkhead exposed to a whole mess of Dark Energon when the Autobots GroundBridged in next to an exploding volcano of the stuff to rescue Optimus in the first part of this story? --[[User:Abates|abates]] 15:00, 13 October 2011 (EDT)
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| ::::I don't think so, not in the same way as Arcee, Bumblebee, Prime, and Ratchet have been anyway. We go back to [[Darkness Rising, Part 2]] and Arcee is the first living Autobot to be exposed, getting some on her when she tried grabbing the Cliffjumper zombie. We know it was from here that the Autobots were first introduced to it as she was affected by her expsore to it in the mines. Ratchet eventakes a sample of it off her, which later morphs his busted equipment. Now the question there is who caught her as she collapsed, they would have likely gotten a little on them too (which would have exposed Bulkhead if he was the one).
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| Optimus and Ratchet would really be the ones among the Autobots with the highest tolerance after their zombie battle in [[Darkness Rising, Part 4]]. They were clearly in a weakened state before the end of the battle, Ratchet even makes the comment about their exposure to dark energon sapping both their strength. And at some point in the battle both fall under piles of zombies, so like Arcee they would have both had dark energon on them. They both would have been more likely cover in it, unlike Arcee who only got some on her. Prime would have also been exposed again in [[One Shall Fall]] as he beat Megatron pretty badly that he was leaking the stuff prior to Megatron's second wind letting him nearly kill him.
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| Bumblebee's exposure comes in [[Out of His Head]] and again in One Shall Fall thanks to Megatron in both cases. Bumblebee actually held a dark energon fragment under Megatron's influence for quite some time, long enough to go from the site of the first zombie battle back to the Autobot's base and on to the Nemisis where he was forced to use it to revive Megatron. That's probably the longest any Autobot was exposed, without knowing how long any of that lasted and how long until they got back to base where he could then be decontaminated. His second exposure nearly killed Raf after Megatron blasted the two of them.
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| As said, that is speculation as to why he's the only one affected. We can also speculate that when Bulkhead was exposed when he was pummeling Megatron in [[One Shall Rise, Part 1]] that he got some on him then because of what Prime previously done.
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| But my question is why it seems to affect in different ways. Arcee is pretty quickly affected from only a few minutes. Optimus and Ratchet only seem affected by a combination of exposure and exerting themselves in battle, possibly longer than it took for Arcee to feel the effects. Yet neither of them collapse from their exposure. Before he enjects it in his own spark chamber Megatron had been exposed for several minutes or more from experimenting on Cliffjumper's corpse. He showed no ill effects at any point prior to injecting it into himself. Starscream is also shown not to be affected by it when he plucks it out of Megatron's near lifeless body in [[Masters and Students]]. Though the Decepticon miners are reported to be in a weakened state from the dark energon harvest in One Shall Rise, Part 1 which says that exposure does appear to affect Decipticons as well as Autobots. So Megatron and Starscream could have been affected offscreen. But then there's the question of Bumblebee's first exposure and why it didn't affect him there, which raises the question of if it is possible to build up a resistance to dark energon is tht resistance carried in a Transformer's psyche? If so, then Megatron may have passed his own resistance on to Bumblebee which would then explain why he might not have been affected by the exposure in Bumblebee's body. -annonymous 10/13/2011 2:13 AM EST
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As with the previous one, is it worth saying that this episode was shown today in Singapore? daughter-of-Myou 12:26, 4 October 2011 (EDT)
- Yes. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 209.51.184.13 (talk • contribs).
Should It be mentioned that this is the first time an autobot says soundwave's name? —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 76.117.9.216 (talk • contribs).
- I don't think someone saying someone else's name is particularly notable, unless it's a continuity error or something. --abates 18:20, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
- It's just he's never been referred or even mentioned by the autobots at all. I thought it was kind of interesting.
- Raf calls Soundwave by name in "Deus ex Machina", so I think it's safe to say the Autobots told the kids about him. --abates 21:50, 10 October 2011 (EDT)
- Still the autobots never directly mention him at all. Just kind of interesting since every other con's (not counting vehicons) name has been said by the autobots on screen. Just something interesting to point out.
Since sections such as the trivia have been added to already, some points giving spoilers, would anyone like me to write up a synopsis for the episode? daughter-of-Myou 05:09, 11 October 2011 (EDT)
