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As far as the FIRRIB debate goes, the Japanese dub and show bible came much, much later.
But the bible's character description's *pre-date* the show.
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[[Image:Rumble_and_frenzy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble.  Whatever.]]
[[Image:Rumble_and_frenzy.jpg|thumb|right|300px|Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble.  Whatever.]]
'''FIBRIR''' stands for "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is blue, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is red". Likewise, '''RIBFIR''' means "Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red".  (The forms FIRRIB and RIRFIB are also known.)
'''FIBRIR''' stands for "[[Frenzy (G1)|Frenzy]] is blue, [[Rumble (G1)|Rumble]] is red". Likewise, '''RIBFIR''' means "Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red".  The forms FIRRIB and RIRFIB are also known.


The entire debate exists because "RIBFIR" in the American [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|G1 cartoon]], but "FIBRIR" in the toyline and Marvel comics. For years, fans have argued vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which one is "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or the comic.
The debate revolves around the colors of the [[Decepticon]] [[Mini-Cassette]]s, Rumble and Frenzy. It was [[Hasbro]]'s intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, [[Marvel Comics]] and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of [[Generation 1]], and naturally, it was intended for the [[Generation 1 (cartoon)|cartoon series]] to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's [[production bible]], which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.


Of note, the Japanese G1 dub of the cartoon brought it into line with the toy colors, simply by switching who was who. And rather inexplicably, the US cartoon bible lists FIBRIR, despite what was consistently shown in the show.
Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, [[fandom|fans]] would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.
 
Notably, the Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.


As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:
As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

Revision as of 19:54, 14 February 2008

Rumble and Frenzy. Or Frenzy and Rumble. Whatever.

FIBRIR stands for "Frenzy is blue, Rumble is red". Likewise, RIBFIR means "Rumble is blue, Frenzy is red". The forms FIRRIB and RIRFIB are also known.

The debate revolves around the colors of the Decepticon Mini-Cassettes, Rumble and Frenzy. It was Hasbro's intent that Rumble be black and red, and Frenzy be two shades of blue. These color schemes are used in the toyline, Marvel Comics and many storybooks and ancillary media from the early years of Generation 1, and naturally, it was intended for the cartoon series to render the characters in this manner as well (as proven by the show's production bible, which identifies Rumble as the "red robot"). However, as a result of some unspecified error somewhere in production, the two robots had their color schemes swapped, leaving the animated incarnation of Rumble blue, and Frenzy red.

Due to the widespread recognition the cartoon received, the concept of Rumble as the blue robot was ingrained into the minds of many viewers. As such, years later, fans would argue vehemently (though often tongue-in-cheek) over which coloration was "correct", based mainly on their personal preference for the cartoon or comic.

Notably, the Japanese dub of the Generation 1 cartoon rectified the error, making the animation match the toys by simply switching the characters' names around.

As later incarnations of the characters draw on both the cartoon and toys as influences, the waters have become muddier still:

Frenzy Rumble
Original toys Blue Red
Marvel comics Blue Red
US cartoon Red Blue
Japanese cartoon Blue Red
Generation 2 toys Purple Red and white (Unreleased)
Dreamwave comics Blue Red
Devil's Due comics Red Blue
Alternators toys None Red

Items are listed in release order. I.e., the original toys came first.


It is generally agreed that pointing out Rumble was actually kinda purple in the original cartoon is not helpful.