Talk:Movie timeline

So, is it the ARG that established Prime as N.B.E.-2? Because the comic has established Bumblebee as N.B.E.-2. Our first continuity glitch in movie continuity? (The two(?) Simmons in Sector 7 may be another, though it could easily be explained with a father-son connection. --ZacWilliam 10:53, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

I'm not sure that the ARG has established who NBE 2 is, actually. --KilMichaelMcC 16:18, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

And there's always the chance that they simply assumed Prime's messages were sent by Bumblebee. They never saw Prime, after all. --FFN 17:39, 12 April 2007 (UTC)

Novelization material

Derik, Walky says to cease and desist adding information from the novelizations to the Wiki or he'll get rid of you until the movie comes out. -Rotty 07:22, 13 June 2007 (UTC)

Video Games

the Movie, titan and S7 Continutys have their own pages so why not we make a page for the Movie video games continuty?

Well, because there isn't one. The console and hand-held games aren't compatible, and it's not as if the different campaigns lead into each other at all across the movie and ROTF games - like, the Decepticons win and conquer Earth in their 2007 game campaign, and then... things are back to standard at the start of their ROTF campaign. It doesn't work. We'd just be describing individual game stories, and we have their articles for that. - Chris McFeely 05:33, 1 June 2011 (EDT)

DOTM date

Some things (the game to name one) put DOTM three years, rather than two, after ROTF, which would place it in 2012. Given that Sam's finished university, three years would make sense. Should the timeline be changed accordingly? Jalaguy

I have heard this floating around, all right, and was thinking about it. But what other sources are there besides the game? I'm not inclined to give the game any leeway in this particular timeline, as the games rarely "count" in that manner, plus, as I understand it, the game is about the run-up to Shockwave being freed, which if we were trying to count it, would take places shortly before Rising Storm, which is only a year after ROTF. - Chris McFeely 07:54, 29 June 2011 (EDT)

The novelization sets Sam Witwicky's Oval Office visit, which was right after ROTF, as "several years ago." Which is better than "two," at least, because, what, Sam had the shortest Ivy League college term ever? --ItsWalky 07:41, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Well, his college did get exploded fairly badly in Rising Storm! :) But yeah, I think some kind of change is necessary here... - Chris McFeely 08:05, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Its name is the Xantium. It brought the second wave of Autobots five years ago—Sideswipe and the rest.Charlotte Mearing, Transformers: Dark of the Moon: The Junior Novel p 90

-Derik 08:34, 8 July 2011 (EDT)

Devastator

The article frequently uses "Devastator" to refer to what is elsewhere called Brawl. Should this be changed, or is it done purposefully?24.13.125.86 21:15, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

It's done because he was often called "Devastator" in the fiction. --abates 21:22, 17 July 2011 (EDT)

Specifically, the only uses of the name in this timeline are in reference to his early appearance in the Titan comics, which consistently called him "Devastator", and would confusedly note in the letters pages that he was supposed to be a different guy from Brawl (though that didn't really make any sense in context). - Chris McFeely 04:59, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Ah. Well then, since the Construction Devastator is also covered, in the ROTF portion of the timeline, would it be possible to somehow mark the ones that are Devastator nee Brawl with a cite note or something?192.249.47.165 09:22, 18 July 2011 (EDT)

Cyber Missions

Can they really be subsumed into the main continuity? They seem to have a lot of contradictions and discrepancies (Power Core Combiners interacting with movie characters, Soundwave coming to Earth previously, etc.) Tom Servo the Great 08:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

How is Soundwave being on Earth a discrepancy? He comes down during Nefarious, and the Cyber Missions are placed after that. And there's no reason PCC characters can't be from the movie continuity - PCC Salvage is established as being the movie character on his package bio. If anything's place here is tenuous, it's Unite for the Universe, with characters that should be dead (Brakedown) or recovering on Diego Garcia (Brawn) at that point in IDW continuity, as well as oddities like Ravage acting independant of Soundwave, helping Starscream in a coup against Megatron. Jalaguy

The Cyber Missions actually fit strangely well, given that John Barber never watched them. I think the only unresolved contradiction would be Frenzy's being active again in them, and the ROTF prequel novel did note he was still alive in Simmons's basement, just dormant, so there's room for future fiction to fill in that gap. I admit I was a bit hesitant about putting Unite for the Universe into the timeline, but as it was the only even remotely-prominent bit of movie comic fiction that had nowhere else to go, I just went with it. "Rising Storm" had already approached death with a non-permanent freeness that left anything of that nature questionable, and it's not like the refugees might not have been tested out in the field to see how they were doing. It's all hand-waving, of course, but as the opening to the article says, it's not like there aren't slight contradictions to be found. - Chris McFeely 11:22, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Even despite we have no proof Frenzy was involved on nefarious, i like to think those guys (the intative (spelling?)) revived him. jsut we didnt saw him

Oh, OK. Thanks. Tom Servo the Great 11:46, 13 September 2011 (EDT)

Classified

Should we add the classified novels into the timeline? -- —The preceding unsigned comment was added by Eagc7 (talk • contribs).

I should think so. Though, where would they fit? I know they're post-ROTF and pre-DOTM, but I haven't read them (yet), so would anyone here who has read them know how to fit them in? --Sabrblade 12:55, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

I've not read them either, but perhaps after Cyber Missions, since they seem to deal with a bunch of Decepticons off doing their own thing without Megatron? Really, the placement of stuff like these, Unite for the Universe and Cyber Missions is going to inevitably be pretty speculative since John Barber wasn't aware of/trying to include them during his phase as chief continuity pornographer for the movie universe. Jalaguy 13:26, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

Sadly, Barber couldn't have worked these novels in since they came out after he had written Convergence and such. --Sabrblade 14:13, 15 July 2013 (EDT)

The Bumblebee movie

In case you haven't heard, Empire magazine learned from DreamWorks that the Bumblebee movie will be set in the 1980s, invalidating all IDW worked to achieve. We need to move the page, and start from scratch on a new main timeline using information just from the films, as incoherent as they are. Alientraveller (talk) 14:34, 14 June 2017 (EDT)

If it's okay for me to give my two cents, this could all trace back from the Ghosts of Yesterday novel.

1.) Bumblebee was a crew member of the Ark, but the tie-in material is vague on details, making it seem like it took the Ark (including Bumblebee) several decades to reach Mars after the events of Ghosts of Yesterday.

2.) We had previously heard about Sentinel Prime's ship getting sent through a wormhole that sent him through space and time, and ultimately landed him in the far future. So, what if the crew of Ghost 1, from the novel, ended up sometime 30 or so years before 1969 (which the novel began in) after going through their wormhole? The Ghost 1 could have crashed outside of Earth's solar system and came in contact with Optimus' Ark around 1939.

So the most easy retcon they could do, while keeping what the tie-in material established, is that the Ark and Ghost 1 did end up near Earth's solar system before the 1940s. Bumblebee headed to Earth in the middle of WWII, stayed there for sometime and went back to Mars in 2003 to scout or hide himself for whatever reason. It's funky, but this continuity has always been that way. BlindmelonKen (talk) 22:51, 20 June 2017‎

It might just be easier to think that the tie in material only applies for the first three films, while AOE, TLK, and any future films fall in a separate timeline that also includes the first three films but none of the tie in material. All we'd have to do for this timeline is to move any and all post-DOTM film info off of this page and onto a new one that keeps the first three films' events but leaves out all the tie-in material. However, this is not a decision to be taken lightly, and must be made with the utmost care and consideration, so we need not be too hasty in this matter. We should probably just wait and see what we learn from these newer films once more is made known about them. --Sabrblade (talk) 23:06, 20 June 2017 (EDT)

I think if we did wanted to keep it for now, maybe we could assume Ghosts of Yesterday is non-canon or the Ghost 1 ended up 1500-2000 years in the past after going through that wormhole and the Ark landed on Earth around that time. BlindmelonKen (talk) 11:36, 27 June 2017‎