Talk:Goldbug (IDW)

'87 toy

This discussion is carried over from Talk:Popular Earth vehicle alternate modes#VW Beetle. My view is that the '87 toy = Bumblebee renamed. It says so in his bio. So, at best, the toy could be said to have been repurposed into IDW Goldbug, except that IDW Goldbug is not a VW Beetle, so it is not even repurposed. - Starfield 17:05, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

The bios often vary wildly from the depiction in the fiction, yes? I'd say that this version of Goldbug is at least as close to the toy as, say, G1 Bumblebee is to Hearts of Steel Bumblebee, which co-exist on the same page. Or IDW Sunstreaker, who's a Headmaster. Maybe we should make a separate page for the non-gestalt, non-animal Predacons of IDW. I'd say that if we're willing to accept that there can be bodies for characters that aren't based on the toys, but are still associated with the toys, then it has to cut both ways. The only thing that makes Goldbug different from the other characters is that the character is sometimes the same guy as Bumblebee. Otherwise, if this toy can't live on the same page as Goldbug (IDW), then really none of the other IDW Throttlebot bodies (or any other kind of bodies) should live on the same page with their more toy-like other depictions. --Jimsorenson 17:23, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

Well, except that the other characters live on the same page because we consider them to be the same characters, just portrayed slightly differently between continuities. So the fact that the toys don't always represent every single depiction is considered low priority.

However, since we already decided that IDW Goldbug is a separate enough character to get his own page, that means that assuming the same toy as the Goldbug characters we separated him from is a "good enough for government work" match is no longer a "valid" assumption. --Jeysie 17:29, 9 August 2009 (EDT)

Ah, but we decided that he's separate enough from prior depictions of Goldbug to warrant his own page. But that's emphatically not the same as saying that he's a separate character. It's purely a wiki convention, for our own convenience. Clearly, the idea that Goldbug is a member of the team called Throttlebots is something that ultimately traces its roots to the toys. Ignoring a line on the bio, well, that's nothing new for us, or for Transformers fans, pros and everyone in between. This is not an analogous situation to, say, Galvatron II, where there were two guys running around with the same name. This is just, well, IDW's Goldbug, and in this continuity he's not Bumblebee. Just like in this continuity, Galvatron isn't Megatron. We still call them the same guy, and associate all the toys together, even though really the Galvatron G1 toy looks almost nothing like the Galvatron from IDW. And if the IDW Rodimus Prime isn't Hot Rod, which seems likely, then that toy should still be on the page too. All IMO, of course. --Jimsorenson 17:48, 9 August 2009 (EDT)