Talk:Optimus Prime (WFC)

This disambig tag fills me with glee. --Andrusi 13:12, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Though why people find this funny confuses me. ---Blackout- 13:22, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I just imagine Shrapnel saying it, it. Or would that be Optimus Prime (Prime), (Prime)? --Khajidha 13:34, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

I guess the archivist thing is from Exodus? 'cause in the WfC game he instead mentions having been a dock worker.Bobbington 14:44, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

When did he mention that? I honestly don't remember him saying that, but my memory is not exactly something to go on. -- Semysane 16:06, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

It's during the in-game banter, I'd say during the second autobot chapter but could be the third. If memory serves, a teammate voices his approval of Optimus' taking matters in his own hands and acting like a leader and Optimus retorts as soon as the war's over he'll go back to working at the docks. Bobbington 03:47, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Yay, more inconsistencies! --ItsWalky 14:46, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

And I thought nothing could be more inconsistent with established continuity than AHM. ---Blackout- 15:49, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

And is it 100 percent certain the Optimus in WFC and the one in Prime will be the same guy, cause I've been tracking the news, and beyond a lot of speculation and vague suggestion, nothing seems confirmed 148.197.8.240 00.01 30 Jube 2010

Everyone at Hasbro sure seems to think so. Exodus, which is written apparently from the Prime show backstory, includes the events of WFC loosely within its second half. --ItsWalky 19:11, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

Even if they're not in the exact same universe, they're certainly in the same continuity family, so they'd get the same page. Just as Sunbow Prime and IDW Prime are both on the G1 page.Kaje 19:31, 29 June 2010 (EDT)

And there are others. Well, I haven't read Exodus but based on the summary on this wiki it's more like two different stories that reach the same end point. For one, in WfC Optimus doesn't become a Prime at the beginning of the war, but after Zeta's death, mere days before the evacuation. And the Matrix is introduced in a completely different way, possibly doesnt even exist until the end of chapter 8. Bobbington 08:29, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Exodus tries to have it both ways. Once you get to the end of the book and Sentinel dies, Optimus gets the Matrix then, and Alpha Trion notes that Prime wasn't truly a Prime until this moment, regardless of what the council said. So he was dubbed a Prime by the council at the beginning, but it wasn't really true until just before they left Earth. --ItsWalky 08:34, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, I guess it's an honorable fix, yet still doesn't mesh, mind you. In the game it's mentioned Optimus first refused to be a Prime, which is why he doesn't have the title (whether or not this landed Zeta the job is unclear since the way they word it at times I may almost think they could have several Primes at once) and the Matrix is unrelated to the Council and the Prime title they bestow.Bobbington 08:42, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Why don't we just change the opening to "The young bot who would become Optimus Prime" rather than have it at Optimus or Orion Pax, and wait until Prime premiers and see if it ever goes with one or the other?

In the game, it's Optimus, not Orion Pax. Does the book override the game, or vice versa? -ThiAthEhn

The events of the game happen within the last half of the novel, after Optimus has stopped being Orion Pax. --ItsWalky 09:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

The tricky bit is still that the game starts before he decides to become Optimus Prime, ie in the novel he goes from Orion Pax to Optimus Prime, while in the game he goes from Optimus to Optimus Prime.Bobbington 12:52, 30 June 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, the article's current bio doesn't take into account the WFC game at all. --FFN 13:59, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Hmm. The game does have a scene where Megatron and Optimus talk about something that happened between them before the game started. --FFN 03:19, 2 July 2010 (EDT)

So, do we have to move WFC stuff I've written to new character articles?

Argh. --FFN 13:48, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Just like I predicted, yes. Dead Metal 14:00, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

I'm too tired to clean this giant mess right now. --FFN 14:01, 1 July 2010 (EDT)

Profile Should Be Rewritten

The Character profile here right now is all Exodus stuff. But almost all of it is stuff that is totally different in WfC. The Character profiles are supposed to be generic and fit all version of the character. I think this one needs to be moved to the Exodus sub-section and a new more general Prime (Prime) (that's fun) profile written, Yes?--ZacWilliam 08:57, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

I agree, it's a bit too specific about the Exodus stuff considering what a big deal WFC is as a form of Prime media. I believe the reason it totally lacks WFC stuff is because Walky wrote it and apparently hasn't played WFC yet. Well, I presume on the last, anyway. --FFN 10:55, 3 July 2010 (EDT)

I guess nobody cares then. --FFN 20:57, 4 July 2010 (EDT)

I care, and I think it does need to be rewritten but I think that'll be a LOT easier to do once Prime is on TV and we have more to work with. --76.28.76.206 07:23, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

Exodus appears to be the official backstory of the Prime continuity, judging by the official timeline. For all the marketing hype about how WFC was totally in-continuity and everything, it appears the video game is, as video games usually are, a micro-continuity. - Starfield 11:44, 11 August 2010 (EDT)

G1

So Exodus is based off the prime cartoon but war for cybertron is a prequel to g1.And if you disagree hasbro themselves sayed that. —The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.204.17.1 (talk • contribs) 14:54, July 5, 2010 (EDT).

Yes, it is, no it isn't, no they haven't, sign your posts, Do The Research. Thank you for your time. ---Blackout- 15:41, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

I wouldn't jump to conclusions right now. Videogames based on franchises tend to get retconned, like what happened to the Ultimate Spider-Man video game. Also, the show has been described as a mix of Animated and Live-Action films, which the game doesn't really reflect. If we are going to reclassify characters we should use something like "Optimus Prime (WFC)" until everything gets really confirmed.ACIDSTORM92 22:19, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

THANK YOU someone gets it. "unregistered" 11:35, 6 July 2010 (EDT)—The preceding unsigned comment was added by 98.204.17.1 (talk • contribs).

For Primus' sake, it was confirmed at Comic-Con that Prime follows on from WFC. Alientraveller 16:33, 30 July 2010 (EDT)

Toy

The fig looks awesome with Tankor's guns on his forearms! Hida Atarasi 14:33, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

And this is relevant how? ---Blackout- 15:26, 21 August 2010 (EDT)

Move

So yeah, I've been suggesting this for a while, and this goes for all WFC (including Exodus) articles, which we're really treating as a separate franchise now we've gone with Aligned as the continuity family's name for now. Alientraveller 05:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I disagree with moving this article, because WFC isn't really a separate franchise. It's some tie-in games that Hasbro licensed to launch their new continuity with. The related toys didn't even have their own logo, they were released as "Generations". --abates 07:17, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Moving it just sort of feels "wrong" to me in a way I can't properly articulate. - Chris McFeely 07:58, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I disagree with moving any of these articles, for the reasons articulated by abates. --Khajidha 08:01, 28 February 2011 (EST)

No. —Interrobang 08:09, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I don't even consider War for Cybertron to be a franchise, so no. --NCZ 08:44, 28 February 2011 (EST)

No chance in Hades. --Detour 08:49, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Right now I can see two distinct reasons beyond "no" (this isn't a poll actually). One, WFC is no less a franchise than Power Core Combiners, and it was a game accompanied by a novel, a comic and toys. At one point Prime toys were going to be released as Generations, but it's still a Transformers franchise. Afterall, Tracks was released as part of the unsubtitled range last year, but he's still a G1 character.

Chris, I know how you feel about moving it to (WFC) as Prime is where we're really getting to know these characters, that's why we have the Prime designs as the main images. If you are for uniformity, perhaps it is time to move Optimus Prime (Movie) to "Optimus Prime (LVF)", and this to "Optimus Prime (Aligned)"?

Regardless, I will be adding WFC Autobots and Decepticons cats to these pages. Alientraveller 09:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Remember "a foolish consistency is the hobgoblin of little minds", or in more wiki-related terms "in situations where the standards intended to prevent confusion would instead contribute to it, common sense should rule." That's why all the Shattered Glass characters are at (SG) even though some of them are technically (Timelines).--Khajidha 12:12, 28 February 2011 (EST)

"Optimus Prime (Prime)" debuted before "Prime" even existed. He predates Prime. So I don't like "Optimus Prime (Prime)." Categorizing Aligned things by franchise might be obsolete. The toyline is no longer organized by franchise. I think "Optimus Prime (Aligned)" is the way to go. - Starfield 12:36, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I lean towards Optimus Prime (Aligned) myself because it's Right, though I also think there's a good argument for keeping it Prime (Prime) because its Simpler for Users. So...?--76.28.76.206 12:45, 28 February 2011 (EST)

No one outside the wiki will know what "aligned" means, and we don't disambiguate by continuity family anyway. --abates 13:48, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I didn't realize this conversation existed, so I started another one on the same topic over here and covered basically everything people have brought up. For the record, I agree entirely with what Alientraveller has said. "(WFC)" for most of these guys, "(Prime)" for the ones that originated in the cartoon, and "(Aligned)" for none of them because we disambig by franchise, not family. - Jackpot 14:06, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I feel if we're going to talk about moving a bunch of high-profile characters, it should probably be discussed somewhere more central like the community portal. --abates 16:43, 28 February 2011 (EST)

I believe we should keep O.P. (Prime) seperate from his WFC page. In my opinion, they are different enough to warrent seperation.--Megatron Prime 10:34, 2 March 2011 (EST)

That is absolutely not going to happen. --ItsWalky 12:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, because nobody is allowed to change in personality over the course of untold millions of years. --Detour 12:45, 2 March 2011 (EST)

He's not talking about the personality. At least, I hope not, since they're both Stock Movie Peter Cullen Prime. --ItsWalky 13:32, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Well, my point about change still stands just as well in regards to appearance as it does in regards to personality. --Detour 13:36, 2 March 2011 (EST)

Yeah, just run down the Optimus Prime (G1)/toys page and look at all the 30 million bodies he went through. Prime (Prime) just has two. --ItsWalky 13:53, 2 March 2011 (EST)

No no no no no no no no no no nononono fucking NO. --M Sipher 15:20, 2 March 2011 (EST)

If Hasbro hadn't specifically said that WFC and Prime go together, you might have had a point. --Khajidha 15:27, 2 March 2011 (EST)

I agree with Sipher.

Page is staying at (Prime) for now, as with all WFC characters who are in Prime, per an agreement at the Community Portal to keep those characters at (Prime) to not confuse the normal readers. Alientraveller 14:07, 5 March 2011 (EST)

Animated?

"The instructions show the rifle being plugged in by its shorter peg, which causes it to resemble the Transformers Animated Voyager-class Optimus Prime...", how does it resemble him at all?--TOM 16:18, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

It's referring to the shape of the guns being similar. 98.209.73.178 19:39, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

And yet they aren't, at all. The note is removed. --ItsWalky 20:21, 25 March 2011 (EDT)

Um...

I think I saw somewhere (I don't know where) on this wiki that there was an image of Optimus is WFC 2, can you gimme the link, please? Thanks. --66.82.9.49 23:00, 9 June 2011 (EDT), For the last time, IT'S KAON_PRISONER!!!