Talk:Skram (G2)

So- what? It's not Skram? Are we distrusting the evidence of our eyes? Do we not think someone in War Within was Windcharger unless he's explicitly named? I seem to be missing what's going on here- because it looks to me like Skram's a member of maximal security in the BM era, several centuries after G2-- yet his wiki entry seems to be saying that another, completely unrelated character was inspired by his deco. I call shenanigans on that, and I say the trivia entry is pulling this 'not the same characterness' out of it's ass.

If I'm missing something then by all means explain it. But if you have a picture of Skram in the 23rd (or whatever) century, why isn't it part of his history here? I think Skram being active in Beast Era is a pretty interesting thing for a character who never really did anything else. -Derik 16:12, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I shouldn't have to explain. This bit of trivia is already in the Trivia section. Put in there by guy who helped decide his deco. How is that out of his ass? --ItsWalky 16:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

But it's not trivia. If it was in both places, it belongs in the Timelines section of his Fiction area.

Also, the trivia entry is making an unsubstantiated claim that the Maximal-guy isn't Skram. -Derik 17:00, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Are you purposefully ignoring what I'm saying? ACCORDING TO THE ARTISTS/FANS WHO COMPOSED THE IMAGE, IT IS MERELY AN HOMAGE TO SKRAM'S COLOR SCHEME. Are you only here, parrotting the same exact damn fucking argument over and over despite what I say, just to raise my blood pressure? Do our words mean nothing to you? --ItsWalky 17:05, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

Really? The trivia bit just says he's an homage, and earlier everyone was asking. The linked thread on Allspark doesn't mention Skram either.

So, Trenttroop did, in fact, intend this not to be Skram... but still used Skram's color scheme? I'm still a little confused, clear that up for me. -Derik 17:26, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

My bedlinens are in Joyce's color scheme, but I'm fairly certain my bed is not Joyce. Okay, I realize that I'm going to have to spell this out for you in a less artful way. You see, it is possible to homage something without it actually being that something. For example, I may like Spider-Man's colors. I could put Spider-Man's colors on some guy. That doesn't mean I intend for that guy to be Spider-Man! It is merely a color homage! This is very simple, and either you are lacking some part of your brain or you are being difficult on purpose.

Do you want other examples? K-9's page treats this subject similarly. And, sure, you'd think that the Predacons behind Razorclaw on the final page are themselves, but they're actually descendents/homages/not-the-original characters. An homage does not always sctrictly mean they're the original guy. In fact, being an homage pretty much precludes them being the original guy, or it would be called an update instead.

And as I've said repeatedly, you do not have to ask Trent. M Sipher had input into the color schemes of these guys. And he was the guy who put the trivia note in. Therefore I WOULD TAKE HIS WORD ON THIS. --ItsWalky 18:02, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

I see. Sipher thought it would be cute to stick the colors of a patrol specialist onto another patrol specialist- but for him to be a new character. Of course- there's nothing here to actually indicate he is a new character.

To clarify my poistion, since I was apparently insufficiently blunt;

1) That is idiotic

2) That is an unnatural reading of the cannon from the outside. The natural reading is- two patrol specialists in the same highly distinctive color scheme? Same guy!

3) You're elevatign Arthur intent above the actual cannon in a situation where Author intent is as it's weakest.'

My eyes, and the circumstance he appears in, tell me that is Skram. There is nothing in the cannon to indicate imply, or even really give a circumstantial reason he would not be Skram. Against it being Skram is 'Oh, I was throwing around color schemes.' -Derik 18:20, 1 December 2006 (UTC)

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