Talk:Cryotek (RID)

At some point, I need to rewrite this to adhere to the style guide. --ItsWalky 03:50, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Yes you do. --M Sipher 03:52, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Hey, you go fix Wideload the way he should be. --ItsWalky 03:53, 21 May 2006 (UTC)

Cryotek's actual plan

All right. What was it? Okay, so we know from 3H that it would ultimately end up with the resurrection of Unicron blah blah blah, but... aside from that. He wants to send the Dinobots, the Mutants, and the Wreckers on fools errands. But the real Vector Sigma breaks through the Oracle and gives the Wreckers a REAL mission -- protecting the Divine Light. But... apparently that was Cryotek's true purpose all along? How does that work? Tengu, where are you? --ItsWalky 05:42, 23 May 2006 (UTC)

Cryotek's purpose was to claim the divine light, lead the Quintessons to Cybertron (whose reformation int he last episode of BM they were unaware of- they lsot contact witht he planet whwn the Oracle went offline) and betray thrm, using the Divine Light's ability to act as a 'fuse' through which to transfer Primus's power either directly into himself, or somehow to Unicron.

This fails for some reason,a nd the result ins INSTEAD that Primus himself comes online, as seen in TFU, instead of having to work through Vector Sigma. They got the fuse back the Quints pulled when they first invaded the nascent Cybertron, and so Primus can function again.

That doesn't answer my question. If it was Cryotek's original purpose to claim the divine light, then why did Primus have to come online to *give the Wreckers different directions than otherwise intended*? The implication is that everyone was to be sent off-world into fools errands, but Vector Sigma broke through the Oracle to give the Wreckers their *real* mission, not the fake one. And yet, this was apparently Cryotek's plan from the beginnings, despite it all? It's a plot hole. Unless, I guess, Cryotek set up the whole "Primus broke through and gave us a real mission" thing, and it was his voice that was pretending to be Vector Sigma breaking through in the first place, putting on this charade for the benefit of the Wreckers. But that seems a little absurd. Why bother? Just give them their orders like the others. --ItsWalky 16:32, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

His plan was A BLOOH BLAH BALLLAHA BLOOOOOOOOOO!!! -hx 03:12, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

I still don't 'see' the conenction between Cryotek and Unicron, bt it's clearly there- Wreckers even list shim as a minion of Unicron, so who knows? -Derik 08:27, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Why's he under RID? X-BoB58 10:22, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

His toy was released as a RiD toy. However given that all his fiction is G1/BW/BM/TFU related it does seem odd. I just noticed it myself. It really isn't "the continuity he's most associated with" which I thought was the standard. I haven't looked do we have an entry for RiD Optimus Primal, or was his foray as a spirit guide for that Prime covered under BW? ZacWilliam 10:29, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

Latter-day RiD segued into Universe (Fire Convoy preparing the Spychanger for a great comign threat, the foundign of the Interdimensional whosiswhatsis...)

I think can, maybe, say that BM Primalw as sent to RiD Prime to inform him of these coming threats we're just told he's preparing for?

(That's purely metatextual of course, like toy-continuity vs. show continuity, sicne I think RiD Prime started preparign after being kidnapped by Unicron during TFU #2 and subsequently beign returned home.)

If anything, this would be someting Primal did during his post-death pre-reincarnate state. He doesnt' mention it, but it doesnt' rule it out. (And even if it didnt' 'happen' for the Comic, that's where this piece of toy-continuity is suppsoed to fit.) -Derik 11:50, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

We had a big discussion in the "series tags" a couple days back, but people seem to keep ignoring it, so it ended up being largely me and Steve-o. "Toy-series of origin" is the way of tagging that simply makes the most SENSE and is EASIEST. You "common association" is far too open to interpretation. Of course, I'm still waiting to see if the UT and BW and J-G1 characters should be broken up into sub-series for consistancy's sake, which, despite me liking how we emphasise the use of (UT), I think we SHOULD. --M Sipher 19:51, 30 May 2006 (UTC)

That seems awfully toy-specific for a CHARACTER DRIVEN WIKI! If they wanted toys they would go to TFU.info. X-BoB58 19:26, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Characters... WHO ARE BASED ON TOYS. Who are created TO SELL TOYS. Toys are the core of the damn franchise. --M Sipher 19:28, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

And it's not like the information here is strictly the stuff you can already find on tfu.info....--G.B. Blackrock 20:35, 1 June 2006 (UTC)

Spark drivers

In response to "Who the fuck said that," the answer is "HASBRO." --ItsWalky 07:44, 6 November 2006 (UTC)

Decepticon symbol

There's a Decepticon symbol on Crytotek's left shoulder in Theft of the Golden Disk. Is he supposed to be a former Decepticon? -- SFH 20:09, 9 January 2008 (UTC)

Toy first or character first?

If this is the wrong place to ask this, then I apologize. But I must at least ask. Did Cryotek originate as a redecoed figure of the TM2 Megatron first, or was he first conceived as a character in TF fiction? From what I can gather, his toy came out in late 2001 as a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, and his first fictional appearance was in The Wreckers issue 2: Betrayal at BotCon 2002.

However, I wholeheartedly remember having once read a FAQ question regarding when/if Cryotek would be getting a toy release at all and if it would be a BotCon exclusive or not. The answer given said that it would be a Target exclusive in the RiD toyline, which did come to pass. Though, the way the question was asked implied that the nature of his character was already made known ahead of his toy's release date, which has me wondering if his persona was conceived and made known prior to the release of his toy.

If I could find this old question it would greatly help me in trying to figure this out. I've been searching on the WayBack Machine's archives of BotCon.com and OTFCC.com, but have found nothing yet. Any assistance to figuring this out would be greatly appreciated. --Sabrblade 23:16, 11 March 2011 (EST)

If you read the Notes section to this page, you would know exactly all about how we knew about him prior to his release date. --ItsWalky 00:00, 12 March 2011 (EST)

RID vs G1

Does there need to be a RID Cryotek specifically separate from G1? There does, right? And that would mean that this guy would need to move somewhere else, probably Cryotek (G1). Someone double check this before I start doing stuff, I often seem to be on the wrong side of these universe naming and moves. --Giggidy (talk) 20:30, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

I believe Cryotek was just one of a bunch of toys that were meant to be released earlier, but were pushed back into the RID toyline for reasons. The big Beast Machines Optimal Primal toy was released in this line too, but I'm pretty sure we're not going to pretend that he's a separate character either. --Ascendron (talk) 20:34, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Right, I was only asking because Ask Vector Prime today had the Robots in Disguise Elite Guard encountering Cryotek. I'm fine with just putting that info here. --Giggidy (talk) 20:36, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

Ah, nertz. I hadn't gotten around to check AVP today. --Ascendron (talk) 20:41, 22 September 2015 (EDT)

I guess I'm just not getting something. There needs to be two ships named Longbow, one for Cybertron and one for RID, but we're ok with having just one Cryotek across G1 & RID? If there's a logic here I'm not seeing it. --Giggidy (talk) 00:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

I thought you were referring to the fact that Cryotek was a RID toy as basis for splitting him off. With the info from AVP, I have no arguments against making a separate page for RID Cryotek. --Ascendron (talk) 00:17, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

I'm all for splitting a page for RID Cryotek. However, I think we should wait to see if AVP clarifies anything on RID Cryotek. The post almost sounds to me like it's Primax 797.18 Epsilon Cryotek who has escaped the formless dimension into Viron 903.0 Beta. After all, it's big hero JG1 Optimus Primal/Convoy who's pursuing him. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 00:29, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

Sounds reasonable, considering that AVP doesn't seem like it'll be around for much longer. --Ascendron (talk) 00:31, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

Waiting to see if we learn more makes a ton of sense to me. --Giggidy (talk) 09:05, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

In any case, even if there isn't a page split, can we consider making an exception to the disambiguate-by-franchise-rather-than-continuity-family rule? It works in most case, but I think here it only serves to confuse things; maybe moving if to Cryotek (BW) or Cryotek (G1) would be better? --Riptide (talk) 02:49, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

I don't think it's especially confusing, and I'd really rather not open up those floodgates. --ItsWalky (talk) 04:09, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

Well, I found it particularly confusing when I first found the wiki, and I'm not sure what floodgates it would open - as far as I know, the only comparable situation (i.e. characters from one continuity family being first released as part of another family's franchise) would be a few DOTM Mini-Cons, etc? I feel like it's similar to how Animated Timelines characters would, IIRC, be disambiguated to "Animated" rather than "Timelines" back when the wiki still used (Timelines). Sorry, I'm rambling - what I'm trying to say is that it did confuse me as a casual fan, and given the recent increased focus on being accessible to casual fans... --Riptide (talk) 05:12, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

It's just a case of cracks starting to appear in our organization scheme. When we started this, at the end of the Unicron Trilogy era, characters across different universe were pretty distinct. There were very few "lore" characters, and we'd just lived through four years of repeated "nameslaps" where Ironhide could be a female Mini-Con and a punk rookie Autobot. Post-movie, as characters become more consistent across the spectrum of Transformers stories, and many names now hold meaning, some of these delineations grow to feel quite pointless. Knock Out, for instance, really is exactly the same character across the Prime cartoon and IDW comics, he just calls a different planet home. I think it's quite clear that AVP has been poking that particular bear of late, with it's Micromaster/Mini-Con/Cyberdroid analogues, or that answer from just the other day about an Aurex Hi-Q and Arcana. - Chris McFeely (talk) 06:11, 23 September 2015 (EDT)

oh hey remember when we came to a consensus to move this page OH WAIT --ItsWalky (talk) 18:57, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Revert please. Also, I wouldn't say "cracks just appeared" since this was all done on purpose by human agency to write new facts directly for the wiki but whatever we've been over that. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 21:39, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

apparently there have been too many intermediate edits and I CAN'T just revert it. Or maybe there's some trick I'm forgetting. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 22:01, 1 October 2015 (EDT)

Ok, consensus is RID and G1 Cryotek are close enough to live on the same page? Works for me. --Giggidy (talk) 00:44, 2 October 2015 (EDT)

Discussion from Cryotek (G1)

I'm sorry, I'm going to be a little anal about my understanding of this wiki. Under the current policy, I can't wrap my head around combining characters from RID and Beast Machines onto one page. The Cryotek from Vector Prime's story is a RID character. (The story gives no indication otherwise.) If that policy ever changes, that's fine. But this isolated incident of Cryoteks from two continuity families on one page is weird. I understand the ideas of cross-franchise characters being very similar and the desire to keep them together, but that requires a significant reorganization of the wiki en masse. This helter skelter fashion of changing the status quo is not a great idea. --Crockalley (talk) 00:55, 3 October 2015 (EDT)