Talk:Alpha Trion (RID)

I notice that this is tagged with the Japanese-original characters category. Was Alpha Trion actually mentioned in the original Car Robots version? The reason I ask is that some RID things such as Gigatron = Megatron and the whole Auggie Cahnay thing were US adaptations, not instigated in the Japanese version. Therefore, if Alpha Trion isn't mentioned in the original dialogue, can he really be a "Japanese-original character"? Just a thought. 118.208.199.214 13:27, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

I think you may be right. - Starfield 14:32, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Toy placement

Hold the heck on. Since when have we actually had fiction identifying the BotCon 2007 Alpha Trion toy as RiD? S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 19:58, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I was wondering the same thing. Is there something in AVP confirming this somewhere? I don't recall reading it. --Ascendron (talk) 20:05, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

If you look at Beta Maxx's profile, it mentions that his partner is Alpha Trion. And since AVP confirmed that Beta Maxx is from Viron 704.31 epsilon, this pretty much confirms that his partner, Alpha Trion, is from there too. (Crossblades (talk) 20:25, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

A reasonable assumption. A note explaining this should be made to clarify things on the page itself. --Ascendron (talk) 20:40, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Good point. I'll get on it --Crossblades (talk) 20:45, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

But wasn't that Alpha Trion the Shattered Glass version? Couldn't he have picked up a partner from a Viron stream while in Axiom Nexus? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 20:48, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Alpha Trion's toy came out in 2007. Shattered Glass wasn't introduced till 2008. It's clearly a repurpose. Plus, his profile makes no mention of the shattered glass universe. --Crossblades (talk)) 20:56, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Seems like the same kind of case as Jhiaxus (RID) where the first fictional material described the character as someone from one continuity, but AVP went "Well, they were also this other guy before the fiction came along, so there." --Ascendron (talk) 21:00, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I am taking issue with the assertion that because Beta Maxx has been identified as originating in a Viron stream, therefore the Alpha Trion he's partnered with must also be from Viron. Because, again. Axiom Nexus. Multiverse. These are things. Especially when it comes to AVP answers. And unless there's one that specifically says "this body is what RID Alpa Trion looks like, too" I disagree with the placement of the toy on this article. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 21:36, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Hasn't FunPub explained that because of timing issues, they simply ended up utilizing the BotCon 2007 toy principally as the SG character? Plus, the fact that Alpha Trion's profile card makes him look good instead of evil is in keeping with SG Alpha Trion's lying nature, is it not? And the profile card mentions "three travelers" - referring to the events of Transcendent. S.H.I.E.L.D. Agent 47 (talk) 21:42, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Do we get to see SG Alpha Trion's purple Autobot badge anywhere in his fictional appearances? The toy has a red Autobot badge, so that might be a factor in our decision as well. --Ascendron (talk) 21:43, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

That Red badge alone is proof that this toy was repurposed for Shattered Glass. Plus, Beta Maxx has not appeared in any fiction claiming to be partners with "Shattered Glass" Alpha Trion. --Crossblades (talk) 22:11, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I'd still like to know for sure if SG Alpha Trion's purple badge is ever visible. Let's be thorough and impartial in this. --Ascendron (talk) 22:19, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

I don't understand what's happening here now. That toy is Shattered Glass Alpha Trion. This was a settled thing on this wiki, like, years ago. Look at G1 Alpha Trion's page, where it notes "Shattered Glass Alpha Trion was repurposed as Alpha Trion by Transformers Legends." SG A3 is the baseline, it's use for a different A3 is the repurpose. --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 22:51, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

That toy's bio does not indicate whatsoever that he's evil or he's from the Shattered Glass universe. I think the wiki automatically assumed he's a Shattered Glass toy because of the fact it made its appearance in the shattered glass fiction. --Crossblades (talk) 23:03, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

AVP did imply (maybe) that this Alpha Trion might be represented by the toy. Unfortunately, I don't see any room for clarifications, seeing as the feature is focusing on different things as of late. AVP in the past has set some precedent over how a toy's first appearance in fiction doesn't necessarily mean that's what the toy initial portrayal was supposed to be, as with Jhiaxus, stated above. It also encouraged its readers to make their own leaps in logic, sometimes poking fun at certain things being "obvious." HOWEVER, from the facts presented up to now, it looks like the the evidence pointing towards this toy being RID Alpha Trion is very circumstantial evidence. I think we can all safely assume that when the toy was made, its creators did not have this Alpha Trion in mind. (It was most likely G1 Alpha Trion, and that debate's off the table.) Unless we can definitely find other hints that push this whole argument in one direction or the other, for now, I suggest at most relegating this whole thing to the Notes section of the article. Just point out that since Beta is RID, maybe Alpha Trion is as well. --Ascendron (talk) 23:22, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

Fair Enough. Plus, you never know if someone will ask about this on AVP in the future and it gets clarified there. Once it does, We'll just make a quick edit on this page and call it a day. --Crossblades (talk)

There, edited things on the page itself. I trust this is a reasonable middle ground for both sides of the discussion? --Ascendron (talk) 23:52, 10 October 2015 (EDT)

No arguments here --Crossblades (talk) 23:58, 10 October 2015 (EDT)