Talk:Grand Galvatron

I don't agree with putting the combiner on this page; they don't really share anything other than the name, and I GUESS the fact that they're both bigger bodies for Galvatron. It deserves to be two separate pages; Grand Galvatron (UW) and Grand Galvatron (Headmasters), I guess...? --Riptide (talk) 10:09, 9 December 2015 (EST)

I agree with the above, but I wonder whether it could go on Galvatronus' page. By this wiki's standards, is it the English name for Takara's guy, or are the limbs and deco enough to seperate them? Sky Shadow (talk) 10:14, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Isn't it a little early to be making this kind of determination? --Giggidy (talk) 12:18, 9 December 2015 (EST)

It definitely wouldn't be Galvatronus, the whole identity is different. I could see the logic in deleting this and replacing it with appropriate descriptors/links on Galvatron (G1) - but by that logic, why wouldn't Grand Galvatron be entirely merged into Galvatron (G1)? We don't have a separate page for Super Megatron. --Thylacine 2000 (talk) 14:23, 9 December 2015 (EST)

I think the reason we don't merge this into G1 Galvatron's page is because this is technically it's own entitry from him. But yeah, I say we move this page to "Grand Galvatron (G1)", and the combiner Grand Galvatron can go to "Grand Galvatron (UW)" or something along those lines. That seems like a good-enough compromise to me. MaximalBroadjaw (talk) 15:38, 9 December 2015 (EST)

This article is specifically about the hypothetical body conceived in Headmasters. Unite Warriors Grand Galvatron is just Galvatron hijacking Cyclonus's body. Character continuity. KISS. Saix (talk) 15:41, 9 December 2015 (EST)

So should we maybe move the UW toy to Galvatron's page, then, if we don't create a new article for it? It is technically Galvatron's combiner, even if he's using Cyclonus as a proxy. MaximalBroadjaw (talk) 15:45, 9 December 2015 (EST)

It's already on Galvatron's toy page. Saix (talk) 15:50, 9 December 2015 (EST)

So all we'd really need to do is just get rid of it's mention on this page, because UW Grand Galvatron is obviously not the same as Headmasters Grand Galvatron. That's basically the best option to satisfy all parties. May as well just do it myself, then, if we have some amount of consensus. MaximalBroadjaw (talk) 15:59, 9 December 2015 (EST)

It's seems kind of bizarre to me to insist that this Grand Galvatron upgrade has to go on a different page than the other Grand Galvatron upgrade. --Giggidy (talk) 16:00, 9 December 2015 (EST)

The thing is they're basically only being put on the same page because they have the same name; otherwise, they're totally different. Putting them both on just the one page is kind of like putting G1 Roller and IDW Roller on the same page just because they're both named Roller; that's basically the only similarity they have. Same logic applies here; they only share a name. MaximalBroadjaw (talk) 16:05, 9 December 2015 (EST)

So, um, put it to a vote, maybe? Put the combiner on Grand Galvatron's page OR make a new page for the combiner OR have the combiner only on Galvatron's toy page. --Riptide (talk) 17:23, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Let's not turn this into another Ulchtar, guys. Way I see it, there's a couple of ways to look at this.

1) Redirect this page to Galvatron. We don't have separate pages for "Super Ginrai" or "Burning Megatron". The only real logical counter to this is that we don't know if this combiner is controlled by Galvatron's consciousness, or if it has it's own unique, merged mind that would justify it as its own character (ie: the reason we split Optimus Maximus from Optimus Prime).

2) Rework this a page just a little to make it about concept of "a super-mode Galvatron", rather than one specific version, and deal with both of them on here.

3) Separate 'em.

-Chris McFeely (talk) 17:42, 9 December 2015 (EST)

I'm gonna throw in for #1 myself. The ambiguity on the UW figure isn't really enough split-page justification. --M Sipher (talk) 17:49, 9 December 2015 (EST)

Honestly? Since Galvatronus has his own article, Grand Galvatron should probably get his own, too. They're counterparts for each other, essentially; just one has dedicated limbs and the other doesn't. Though then we don't have a page for Predacus yet either, do we?

From what I've seen from over on TFW2005, I think it's implied that at least Cyclonus himself is being controlled by Galvatron, but it seems to say nothing on the combiner having it's own mind. That sort of complicates this scenario, really; we don't know if it's Galvatron controlling Cyclonus and Grand Galvatron or if Grand Galvatron is a different conciousness than Galvatron himself. Judging by how the other combiners operate, I'm assuming that Grand Galvatron might be a unique entity from the original, but again no fiction to firmly place it. MaximalBroadjaw (talk) 17:56, 9 December 2015 (EST)