Talk:Generation 1 cartoon timeline
I am uneasy about a lot of this. I would prefer to be more conservative about mashing things together, to the point that a coherent timeline for this continuity would be nearly impossible. I haven't watched the G1 series in several years, but as the discussion at Talk:Early Decepticons seems to indicate, my recollection was that the ancient history of Cybertron was extremely vague if not actually self-contradictory. Unless things are very clear-cut, it is not our place to decide how those elements should be resolved and state those speculations authoritatively. A prose article discussing the different pieces of backstory, and analyzing the ways that they fit and don't fit would be much preferable to a linear timeline. Additionally, I'm wary of the idea of pushing Beast Era retcons into what is explicitly being called a G1 Cartoon timeline. Beast Era stories take place in a version of G1 that has never been depicted in detail, NOT in the cartoon universe or any other known G1 universe. --Steve-o 02:37, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- How did Beast Machines not take place in the G1 animated timeline? Yes, Bob and Larry on Beast Wars gave us the "different versions of Generation 1 ar like Arthurian legend" line and invoked Primus, but every single historical reference in Beast Machines dovetails with the cartoon. Not suprising when you consider Marv Wolfman's involvement. -Rotty 02:46, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, maybe I'm crazy, but I consider BW and BM to be no-doubt-about-it the same universe, not just extremely similar universes. So to me, if BW isn't set in the G1 cartoon universe, then neither is BM. --Steve-o 03:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- I echo Steve-o here. BW/BM should absolutely not be included in this timeline, and there seems to be a lot of fanon hand-waving here. Nothing in the article even suggests that these things are "made to fit." --ItsWalky 03:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Except for the Beast Machines stuff, which I agree shouldn't be here, this article looks fine to me. --KilMichaelMcC 03:33, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- I echo Steve-o here. BW/BM should absolutely not be included in this timeline, and there seems to be a lot of fanon hand-waving here. Nothing in the article even suggests that these things are "made to fit." --ItsWalky 03:19, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, maybe I'm crazy, but I consider BW and BM to be no-doubt-about-it the same universe, not just extremely similar universes. So to me, if BW isn't set in the G1 cartoon universe, then neither is BM. --Steve-o 03:03, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- The very plot of Beast Machines couldn't have happened without it being in the Generation 1 animated universe. No other version of G1 has Vector Sigma, no other version has a Plasma Energy Chamber... Marv Wolfman and Bob Skir explicitly made it a follow-on to both Beast Wars and the Sunbow cartoon. The fact that the Beast Wars writers told the fandom BW isn't in Generation 1 animated continuity doesn't change how Beast Machines was written. -Rotty 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- While I basically agree that Beast Machines and Beast Wars do take place in the cartoon universe, although you're wrong about Vector Sigma asit's in Dreamwave G1 too, for simplicity's sake I think an article about the G1 cartoon's timeline should stick to the G1 cartoon itself. --KilMichaelMcC 03:54, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- The very plot of Beast Machines couldn't have happened without it being in the Generation 1 animated universe. No other version of G1 has Vector Sigma, no other version has a Plasma Energy Chamber... Marv Wolfman and Bob Skir explicitly made it a follow-on to both Beast Wars and the Sunbow cartoon. The fact that the Beast Wars writers told the fandom BW isn't in Generation 1 animated continuity doesn't change how Beast Machines was written. -Rotty 03:45, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
- Well, okay, there is a little bit of hand-waving in the part about Megatron's earlier attacks and the death of U-Haul Robot that should probably be cleaned up. --KilMichaelMcC 03:42, 24 June 2007 (UTC)
