Talk:Neutro
So if Venin has been taken off of Venom's page and give his own article for Reasons, that means Groundbuster gets taken off of this one too, right? --KilMichaelMcC (talk) 17:31, 17 February 2015 (EST)
- Given his different name, different deco, and different alt mode, I don't really see why he's on Neutro's page. -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 17:34, 17 February 2015 (EST)
- Well, without the G1 Venom deco, Venin has zero to do with Venom. But Groundbuster is still sculpted like Neutro. Jalaguy (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2015 (EST)
- Maybe if you squint, I guess... The only similarity I see is the tread arms. And unlike Venin/Venom, there's not even a similarity in names. Is there any more solid indication that he's supposed to be Neutro, though? -- Dark T Zeratul (talk) 15:51, 18 February 2015 (EST)
- Why was Venin split? In the absence of evidence that they are different the intent for them to be the same should prevail. Or is there some evidence that I am unaware of that actually distinguishes Venin and Venom as two characters? --Khajidha (talk) 17:13, 18 February 2015 (EST)
- Well, without the G1 Venom deco, Venin has zero to do with Venom. But Groundbuster is still sculpted like Neutro. Jalaguy (talk) 17:45, 17 February 2015 (EST)
This is much latter, but the Legends comic recently released has G1 Neutro and Groundshaker as separate character. Not that I think they should be separated entirely. Escargon (talk) 14:28, 30 March 2019 (EDT)
"toys should take precedence over fiction"
What does this even mean? There's nothing inherent to a toy with different colors and a different name that says it's Neutro. Saix (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- You said ""Intention" is meaningless when fiction says otherwise, and this is a lazy revert".
- I disagree. And Groundbuster is sculpted like Neutro, the only reason he has different colors is because he is gang-molded with Tailgate. Escargon (talk) 09:37, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- Lots of toys get planned to be specific characters and then they aren't (Venin, Classics Menasor, Combiner Wars Blackjack, etc.). We still didn't care about "intention" then and your argument hangs solely on "sculpted like Neutro" while ignoring everything else that isn't Neutro (colors, name, fiction). Saix (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- Legends fiction does not take precedence for a Hasbro toy. Escargon (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- Additionally, now that other things (the TCG game, for instance) uses Venin as a name for Venom, I disagree with that toy being split out as well. Escargon (talk) 09:54, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- It's the only fiction and characterization it has (and it's been that way since 2015). It takes "precedence" because there is nothing to precede! "Looks like Neutro" is not characterization. Saix (talk) 11:11, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- Legends fiction does not take precedence for a Hasbro toy. Escargon (talk) 09:51, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
- Lots of toys get planned to be specific characters and then they aren't (Venin, Classics Menasor, Combiner Wars Blackjack, etc.). We still didn't care about "intention" then and your argument hangs solely on "sculpted like Neutro" while ignoring everything else that isn't Neutro (colors, name, fiction). Saix (talk) 09:47, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
Lord, am I sick of arguing over these Generations Microns. However, the last time this came up, https://tfwiki.net/wiki/Talk:Swerve_(G1), Joe Kyde the designer was quoted as saying these characters were designed to be Sky High, Blast Master, and Neutro. They were given different names because those could not be used, for whatever reason. "Intended to be" and "sorta looks like" was enough to support several administrators and long-time contributors' desire to keep Flanker on Sky High. That line of reasoning would also support keeping Groundshaker/breaker/whatever on Neutro's page. His Legends appearances don't seem to do anything to establish those two have to be different characters in that timeline. --Xaaron (talk) 14:23, 24 May 2019 (EDT)
